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Violet_Crumble

(36,142 posts)
16. I couldn't agree more...
Sat May 15, 2021, 02:11 AM
May 2021

A post that begins with saying that there's a lot of support for Israel from the same US extremist 'Christian' RW bunch that supports Trump and his attempts to gut US democracy isn't a great start to a compelling argument...

I think too that the world has moved past the I/P conflict. After all, there's the rise of China, Russia being Russia and a host of other things (Trumpism!!!) to draw our attention away from a totally tragic and avoidable mess. I don't think it's going to end up benefitting Israel. While the world looks elsewhere Israel has the opportunity to do whatever it wants to the Palestinians, but I don't think it takes much for the eyes of the world to focus back on that region of the world and judge harshly when it sees what's going on. I know as someone who doesn't live in the US and sees it from a more global perspective, the blind and icky adulation by a large portion of Israelis didn't garner Israel much support from anyone other than those in the cult of Trump.

How I've changed since I was last here regularly is I no longer believe there'll be a two-state solution and I support the eventual and inevitable creation of one secular state encompassing Israel, the West Bank and Gaza led by a democratic multiparty system that doesn't discriminate against its people based on their religion. I know that's a high bar to set, as we've seen recently how fragile democracy can be with the US as an example, but I'm an idealist. Call the state Israel for all I care, but everyone who lives within the borders needs to be treated with the same level of respect and have the same protections.

The Cold Fact, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2021 #1
I think there are a lot of things happening. Mosby Apr 2021 #3
Relying On Right Wing Political Support, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2021 #9
I couldn't agree more... Violet_Crumble May 2021 #16
where did i mention trump? Mosby May 2021 #21
Interesting WHITT Apr 2021 #2
My thought, too. Karadeniz Apr 2021 #4
Yes or no sabbat hunter Apr 2021 #8
Why WHITT Apr 2021 #10
Why is it silly sabbat hunter Apr 2021 #11
It Is SILLY WHITT Apr 2021 #12
So let's re-phrase the question. aranthus May 2021 #14
You Mean WHITT May 2021 #15
Instead of re-phrasing the question to be something it wasn't why not just give a straight answer? aranthus May 2021 #19
Just Going By What You Posted WHITT May 2021 #24
I mean a state where the majority culture is Jewish. aranthus May 2021 #25
Well, If It's 'One Man One Vote' WHITT May 2021 #26
How do you get there? aranthus May 2021 #27
Not Only Is Israel Not Democracy WHITT May 2021 #28
England doesn't have a constitution. aranthus May 2021 #29
Asked And Answered WHITT May 2021 #30
Not if it means they discriminate against anyone there who isn't Jewish... Violet_Crumble May 2021 #17
Not that I'm in favor of discrimination, but..,. aranthus May 2021 #20
Israel is the only country that goes on about its treestar May 2021 #31
Then the Arabs, you and anyone else aranthus May 2021 #32
But then don't the Palestinians have the right to exist? treestar May 2021 #33
Of course they do. aranthus May 2021 #34
I thought the British helped it treestar May 2021 #35
Palestina Syria sabbat hunter May 2021 #36
BTW WHITT Apr 2021 #5
So what? BDS is a failure. Mosby Apr 2021 #6
HEH WHITT Apr 2021 #7
That's one impressive bubble of denial you've got going there... Violet_Crumble May 2021 #18
I think you should stop making this personal. Mosby May 2021 #22
coming from you Israeli May 2021 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2021 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2021 #37
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