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24. You conflated a description of his ancestry by others

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #23)

Fri May 9, 2025, 02:44 PM

May 9

Into a claim by him that he was the first black pope.

From your initial caption:

White smoke, Black pope? Genealogist says Leo XIV has Louisiana African roots

And from the article in that post:

As such, Leo XIV could be considered the first Black pope in the history of the Catholic Church, though it is unclear how he identifies racially.

And from the post I responded to:

The article makes that clear. But the Church publicly announced this geneology right after the Conclave, Yesterday so that tells me he IS claiming this. Good for him.

And my precise concern is that you are suggesting he claims something about his identity that he has not, from any report I have seen, claimed for himself.

I have absolutely no problem honoring what he says about his identity - should he choose to talk about it. The reason I responded is that you are putting words in his mouth about what he is claiming.

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White smoke, Black pope? Genealogist says Leo XIV has Louisiana African roots [View all] pnwmom May 8 OP

I wonder JustAnotherGen May 8 #1

yep. tread lightly here. stopdiggin May 8 #2

The article makes that clear. But the Church publicly announced this geneology right after the Conclave, pnwmom May 8 #4

He does not appear to have discussed his ancestry publicly - Ms. Toad May 8 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom May 8 #11

There are documents backing up the genealogist's findings, which he posted online. pnwmom May 8 #12

and you prove my point ... stopdiggin May 9 #15

I said: "I don't think any of them would think he was "claiming an experience he did not live." pnwmom May 9 #16

and yet you seem to be very insistent ? stopdiggin May 9 #20

I wasn't disputing his ancestry. Ms. Toad May 9 #21

But being Jewish has two meanings, and one is related to religious beliefs, so I wouldn't claim to be Jewish either, pnwmom May 9 #23

You conflated a description of his ancestry by others Ms. Toad May 9 #24

I didn't write most of those words. The National Catholic Reporter did. pnwmom May 9 #25

First, ancestry is factual. It exists, not something to be claimed or not. Ms. Toad May 9 #29

It wasn't my caption. It was the article's title. nt pnwmom May 9 #31

"glad he is claiming it" ... stopdiggin May 9 #32

... Solly Mack May 8 #3

That is so cool. Clouds Passing May 8 #5

Better every minute!!! elleng May 8 #6

LOL, I had just added that to the OP. And I agree -- better yet! pnwmom May 8 #7

Frankly, since Obama, such analysis of ancestry seem ultimately counter productive beyond saying Bernardo de La Paz May 8 #9

I even wonder why this is a topic of our conversation. CTyankee May 9 #22

More to love about mzmolly May 8 #10

TY! I Discovered that myself when I Searched for Cha May 9 #13

The significance of this is that it means the hideous "One Drop" doctrine is dead in European Catholicism. /nt artemisia1 May 9 #14

Clickbait headline BaronChocula May 9 #17

2 out of 4 grandparents were Black, by the Census records. That would be more than any Pope in history, pnwmom May 9 #18

Cool Kid Berwyn May 9 #19

The 1st black pope, Pope Victor I, served from 189 to 199 A.D.. He was from North Africa & is depicted in paintings as FSogol May 9 #26

A mongrel American just like me! SARose May 9 #27

We with Louisiana roots all have African genes TexLaProgressive May 9 #28

I'm more interested in the Prevost side ms liberty May 9 #30