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pnwmom

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12. There are documents backing up the genealogist's findings, which he posted online.
Thu May 8, 2025, 11:48 PM
May 8

And the Black Catholics I know are thrilled about this discovery. I don't think any of them would think he was "claiming an experience he did not live." They know why many people decided to "pass," once they moved out of a Black neighborhood.

The maternal side of Pope Leo XIV’s family can be traced back to at least the 1840s among “free people of color” in New Orleans, according to Jari C. Honora, a genealogist with the Historic New Orleans Collection, a research center documenting the city’s history.

Rep. Troy Carter, D-La., who represents New Orleans, also released a statement Thursday highlighting Pope Leo XIV’s “ancestral ties to our Creole and Haitian families,” saying he was proud “As a Black man” and “a proud son of New Orleans.”

Pope Leo XIV’s maternal grandparents, along with his mother’s older siblings, were “identified in records as Black or mulatto,” Honora told Forbes, but the family “passed … into a white racial identity” when they relocated to Chicago, where the pope’s mother—Mildred Martinez—was born in 1912.

. . . . Honora said in a Facebook post Thursday “Our Holy Father, Pope Leo XIV, has Creole of color roots from New Orleans on his mother's side!” He told The Times-Picayune a marriage license shows Joseph Martinez and Louise Baquié, the pope’s grandparents, married in 1887 at Our Lady of Sacred Heart church in New Orleans. Those records show Joseph Martinez listed Haiti as his birthplace, Honora told the newspaper. He added the family was listed as living at 1933 North Prieur St. in the city’s Seventh Ward, an area that was demolished during the construction of the Claiborne Avenue overpass, which critics say significantly disrupted vibrant Black neighborhoods in the city.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2025/05/08/pope-leo-xivs-ancestry-celebrated-congressman-genealogist-tout-possible-creole-black-roots/


Honora tracked down a marriage license that showed the Pope's maternal grandparents, Joseph Martinez and Louise Baquié, were wed at Our Lady of Sacred Heart on Annette Street in 1887. Joseph Martinez claimed Haiti as his birthplace, Honora said, "which could very much be true, given the back-and-forth that has always existed between New Orleans and Haiti. Or he could have deeper New Orleans roots. (I'm) still working on that."

During the 1900 U.S. census, the couple was listed as residing at 1933 North Prieur Street, a site later demolished due to the construction of the Claiborne Avenue overpass. They were also described as Black, and Joseph Martinez was said to have an occupation as a cigar maker.
About 10 years later, the family moved to Chicago, where the pope's mother was born.

"Martinez's older brothers and sisters were all born in New Orleans, in the 7th Ward," Honora said. "They moved to Chicago between 1910 and 1912, and like so many Louisiana families, they shifted their racial identity. They moved to a big metropolis and go about what people assume you are."

https://www.nola.com/news/first-american-pope-roots-new-orleans/article_3c7bfdf1-8f69-452e-af01-90aa012366df.html#tncms-source=featured-top

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I wonder JustAnotherGen May 8 #1
yep. tread lightly here. stopdiggin May 8 #2
The article makes that clear. But the Church publicly announced this geneology right after the Conclave, pnwmom May 8 #4
He does not appear to have discussed his ancestry publicly - Ms. Toad May 8 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom May 8 #11
There are documents backing up the genealogist's findings, which he posted online. pnwmom May 8 #12
and you prove my point ... stopdiggin May 9 #15
I said: "I don't think any of them would think he was "claiming an experience he did not live." pnwmom May 9 #16
and yet you seem to be very insistent ? stopdiggin May 9 #20
I wasn't disputing his ancestry. Ms. Toad May 9 #21
But being Jewish has two meanings, and one is related to religious beliefs, so I wouldn't claim to be Jewish either, pnwmom May 9 #23
You conflated a description of his ancestry by others Ms. Toad May 9 #24
I didn't write most of those words. The National Catholic Reporter did. pnwmom May 9 #25
First, ancestry is factual. It exists, not something to be claimed or not. Ms. Toad May 9 #29
It wasn't my caption. It was the article's title. nt pnwmom May 9 #31
"glad he is claiming it" ... stopdiggin May 9 #32
... Solly Mack May 8 #3
That is so cool. Clouds Passing May 8 #5
Better every minute!!! elleng May 8 #6
LOL, I had just added that to the OP. And I agree -- better yet! pnwmom May 8 #7
Frankly, since Obama, such analysis of ancestry seem ultimately counter productive beyond saying Bernardo de La Paz May 8 #9
I even wonder why this is a topic of our conversation. CTyankee May 9 #22
More to love about mzmolly May 8 #10
TY! I Discovered that myself when I Searched for Cha May 9 #13
The significance of this is that it means the hideous "One Drop" doctrine is dead in European Catholicism. /nt artemisia1 May 9 #14
Clickbait headline BaronChocula May 9 #17
2 out of 4 grandparents were Black, by the Census records. That would be more than any Pope in history, pnwmom May 9 #18
Cool Kid Berwyn May 9 #19
The 1st black pope, Pope Victor I, served from 189 to 199 A.D.. He was from North Africa & is depicted in paintings as FSogol May 9 #26
A mongrel American just like me! SARose May 9 #27
We with Louisiana roots all have African genes TexLaProgressive May 9 #28
I'm more interested in the Prevost side ms liberty May 9 #30
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