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8. He does not appear to have discussed his ancestry publicly -

Thu May 8, 2025, 10:36 PM

May 8

notwithstanding anything others have said about him.

It’s unclear whether the new pope, who took the name Leo XIV, has ever addressed his ancestry in public, interviews or his writings.

https://archive.li/fazbR#selection-743.0-743.132

Martinez’s descent has been widely reported as Spanish, and Pope Leo XIV does not appear to have made major public statements regarding Creole heritage

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2025/05/08/pope-leo-xivs-ancestry-celebrated-congressman-genealogist-tout-possible-creole-black-roots/

All of the reports I have seen are traced to the genealogist, not the church (but, again, the church making a statement is not the same as the Pope claiming it). And genealogy is different from lived experience. My guess is that he would be very cautious about claiming an experience he did not live, based on his geneology.

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White smoke, Black pope? Genealogist says Leo XIV has Louisiana African roots [View all] pnwmom May 8 OP

I wonder JustAnotherGen May 8 #1

yep. tread lightly here. stopdiggin May 8 #2

The article makes that clear. But the Church publicly announced this geneology right after the Conclave, pnwmom May 8 #4

He does not appear to have discussed his ancestry publicly - Ms. Toad May 8 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom May 8 #11

There are documents backing up the genealogist's findings, which he posted online. pnwmom May 8 #12

and you prove my point ... stopdiggin May 9 #15

I said: "I don't think any of them would think he was "claiming an experience he did not live." pnwmom May 9 #16

and yet you seem to be very insistent ? stopdiggin May 9 #20

I wasn't disputing his ancestry. Ms. Toad May 9 #21

But being Jewish has two meanings, and one is related to religious beliefs, so I wouldn't claim to be Jewish either, pnwmom May 9 #23

You conflated a description of his ancestry by others Ms. Toad May 9 #24

I didn't write most of those words. The National Catholic Reporter did. pnwmom May 9 #25

First, ancestry is factual. It exists, not something to be claimed or not. Ms. Toad May 9 #29

It wasn't my caption. It was the article's title. nt pnwmom May 9 #31

"glad he is claiming it" ... stopdiggin May 9 #32

... Solly Mack May 8 #3

That is so cool. Clouds Passing May 8 #5

Better every minute!!! elleng May 8 #6

LOL, I had just added that to the OP. And I agree -- better yet! pnwmom May 8 #7

Frankly, since Obama, such analysis of ancestry seem ultimately counter productive beyond saying Bernardo de La Paz May 8 #9

I even wonder why this is a topic of our conversation. CTyankee May 9 #22

More to love about mzmolly May 8 #10

TY! I Discovered that myself when I Searched for Cha May 9 #13

The significance of this is that it means the hideous "One Drop" doctrine is dead in European Catholicism. /nt artemisia1 May 9 #14

Clickbait headline BaronChocula May 9 #17

2 out of 4 grandparents were Black, by the Census records. That would be more than any Pope in history, pnwmom May 9 #18

Cool Kid Berwyn May 9 #19

The 1st black pope, Pope Victor I, served from 189 to 199 A.D.. He was from North Africa & is depicted in paintings as FSogol May 9 #26

A mongrel American just like me! SARose May 9 #27

We with Louisiana roots all have African genes TexLaProgressive May 9 #28

I'm more interested in the Prevost side ms liberty May 9 #30