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77. So why the expensive re-design then?

Reply to pfitz59 (Reply #72)

Mon Sep 16, 2024, 08:33 PM

Sep 16

It doesn't sound like there's any separation needed if everyone gets to sleep and shower alone.

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WOW! Traildogbob Sep 16 #1

I don't think I want to know... Think. Again. Sep 16 #2

Separate berths and bathing facilities would be my guess stumpysbear Sep 16 #3

Oh, that's right, adult heterosexuals can't control themselves I forgot. Think. Again. Sep 16 #4

Well, to be fair, the military doesn't have an awesome track record.... stumpysbear Sep 16 #5

That sounds more like a hiring problem than a vessel design problem. Think. Again. Sep 16 #14

You have to remember, that on nearly every naval vessel, yagotme Sep 16 #17

Rape is now "hijinks"? Man, the world has changed. Think. Again. Sep 16 #18

Rape isn't the only concern. A rarer occurrence than other things. yagotme Sep 16 #20

Yep, definitely a hiring problem. Think. Again. Sep 16 #23

You can teach someone the methodology of discipline, yagotme Sep 16 #26

Yep, definitely sounds like they need to be... Think. Again. Sep 16 #28

Going to be hard to "weed out" someone that may make an inappropriate comment yagotme Sep 16 #30

It just seems to me... Think. Again. Sep 16 #31

We have a volunteer force. yagotme Sep 16 #32

We have the largest military in the world... Think. Again. Sep 16 #34

Each active unit on record has a certain amount of slots to be filled. yagotme Sep 16 #37

Sorry, ain't buying it... Think. Again. Sep 16 #40

If you were in charge what would the military look like and how would you handle things? XorXor Sep 16 #96

I would have military experts who are honest enough to focus only on... Think. Again. Sep 16 #97

What does that look like, though? XorXor Sep 16 #100

Nope, I have nothing specific for you, I'm just an internet rando with absolutely no interest in military administration Think. Again. Sep 16 #103

Not rape between consenting adults pfitz59 Sep 16 #70

If it's between consenting adults, why is there a concern? Think. Again. Sep 16 #73

Because enlisted cannot fraternize with officers jimfields33 Sep 16 #79

So tell them not to. Think. Again. Sep 16 #80

They do. And if they don't listen, they are punished. jimfields33 Sep 16 #84

Good, so everything's cool. No need for any more expensive re-designed subs. Think. Again. Sep 16 #88

Yep. jimfields33 Sep 16 #89

I didn't even know bosses were a part of this... Think. Again. Sep 16 #91

Catch-22 sarisataka Sep 16 #7

We really need to get past the junior high school mentality. Think. Again. Sep 16 #9

Those 2 are still up there IronLionZion Sep 16 #22

Jokes? But they're consenting adults, aren't they? Think. Again. Sep 16 #24

No judgement from me IronLionZion Sep 16 #39

USS Wyoming had an all female submarine crew 2 years ago IronLionZion Sep 16 #25

The Ohio Class boats also have modifications for women on subs. NutmegYankee Sep 16 #85

Well, males and females who have been away from their g/f's and b/f's for months sharing showers... Polybius Sep 16 #63

Usually consenting adults enjoying each other's company when they choose to is a great idea. Think. Again. Sep 16 #65

I'm all for public showers being co-ed, I'm just not sure it would work Polybius Sep 16 #66

Have you considered therapy? Think. Again. Sep 16 #67

No Polybius Sep 16 #68

Okay, I understand if you need a few moments alone. Think. Again. Sep 16 #69

Not in a joking mood today I see Polybius Sep 16 #71

I thought that WAS funny! Think. Again. Sep 16 #74

Oh Polybius Sep 16 #82

female hygiene products in the bathrooms! sboatcar Sep 16 #27

SHOCKING! Think. Again. Sep 16 #29

They do have to see them. Both bathrooms must have tampons. jimfields33 Sep 16 #83

Goodness, talk about diversion. Think. Again. Sep 16 #87

Just has a few extra heads and dedicated berthing spaces. NutmegYankee Sep 16 #76

Well, they'll all be in very close quarters for long stretches... Think. Again. Sep 16 #78

It'll be fine. NutmegYankee Sep 16 #81

I'm sure it would have been fine before the re-design, too Think. Again. Sep 16 #86

Enough berthing and head space that males and females can have privacy jmowreader Sep 19 #113

Oh, I'm glad everyone is getting individual en-suite rooms... Think. Again. Sep 19 #114

It's not like that jmowreader Sep 19 #115

Accommodation changes quaint Sep 16 #6

Did people really have to share bunks and could only shower together in the old designs? Think. Again. Sep 16 #10

The only submarine voyage I've been on was the original E-ticket at Disneyland. quaint Sep 16 #11

Subs are limited in interior space. yagotme Sep 16 #12

Oh, okay, so no one ever had to share a bunk in the old designs... Think. Again. Sep 16 #13

No prob. yagotme Sep 16 #15

Why would anyone need their own bunks if they're not sharing them anyway? Think. Again. Sep 16 #16

I'm not quite sure what you're asking here, but I'll give it a stab. yagotme Sep 16 #19

That's why I don't understand why the new vessel has to have... Think. Again. Sep 16 #35

What I think they mean by "separate" is female/male. yagotme Sep 16 #38

Yeah, I think what's confusing me... Think. Again. Sep 16 #41

They can, but then we go back around to the hijinks thing again... nt yagotme Sep 16 #44

Ah, yes, hiring people who are not yet ready for the job. Think. Again. Sep 16 #46

No that would be concern for many regardless of age XorXor Sep 16 #98

Bullshit, we're talking about adults. Think. Again. Sep 16 #101

Can you clarify specifically what you disagree with and why? XorXor Sep 17 #106

I disagree to the post I replied to because I don't believe it's true. Think. Again. Sep 17 #107

It looks as if you replied to my post when you said "BS", was that your intention? XorXor Sep 17 #109

The reason I reply "B.S." is because I don't believe, or agree with, the statement I replied "B.S." to. Think. Again. Sep 17 #110

That was clear from the start, but I'm actually trying to understand your perspective in more detail XorXor Sep 18 #111

During times of peace, what work is there to do on a sub? Polybius Sep 16 #64

OMG! We train and exercise the ship as if we are at war maxrandb Sep 18 #112

"We will stand off their coast and run missile drills." yagotme Sep 20 #117

'Hot racking' is/was real on older model subs. pfitz59 Sep 16 #72

So why the expensive re-design then? Think. Again. Sep 16 #77

Because those bunks are all in one room. Angleae Sep 16 #94

Ah, yes, individual rooms will be nice! Think. Again. Sep 16 #95

Aint happening on a sub, no space. Angleae Sep 16 #99

So now we're back to "why bother, then?" Think. Again. Sep 16 #102

It makes sense. If the Boy Socuts could do it, one would hope the Navy could figure it out. nt Gore1FL Sep 16 #92

Mustn't...mention... Gruenemann Sep 16 #8

I remember the first coed missile silos... Prairie Gates Sep 16 #21

Social progress often trails tech progress Torchlight Sep 16 #33

Yep, soon every crew member will have their own submarine to themself.... Think. Again. Sep 16 #36

2-person Japanese sub: yagotme Sep 16 #42

THOSE TWO PEOPLE BETTER BE MARRIED!!! Think. Again. Sep 16 #43

Japanese culture, early 1940's, I highly doubt it. yagotme Sep 16 #45

Oh, wow, what a sexually liberated society that was! Think. Again. Sep 16 #47

You forgot your sarcasm thingy. Some here might take what you said as reality. yagotme Sep 16 #49

So then why does the new sub only separate males from females? Think. Again. Sep 16 #51

"Don't ask, don't tell." yagotme Sep 16 #52

Yes, so the military IS okay with same-sex relations as long as no one brags about it. Think. Again. Sep 16 #53

Maybe then, females shouldn't be on board... yagotme Sep 16 #54

How is any of that different from anyone not wanting to... Think. Again. Sep 16 #55

Showering in front of someone the same sex is usually started in Jr High, at least High School. yagotme Sep 16 #56

Ah, I see, it's the school system's fault for not implementing co-ed showers for children.... Think. Again. Sep 16 #57

Well, if you insist upon putting words in my mouth, then I'm done. yagotme Sep 16 #58

Thanks, you too! Think. Again. Sep 16 #60

It does not follow Torchlight Sep 16 #48

I served 28.5 years in the Navy, and was there when we started allowing women to serve on combatant ships maxrandb Sep 16 #50

Too bad some can't grasp this concept: yagotme Sep 16 #59

You mean adults do that? Shocking! Think. Again. Sep 16 #61

Thank you, finally some mature common sense! Think. Again. Sep 16 #62

There's a long running joke in the 'bubblehead' (submariner) community pfitz59 Sep 16 #75

What about the Sea Tiger!?!?!?! Gore1FL Sep 16 #90

I attended an Army training course one time for both male and female soldiers. Aristus Sep 16 #93

That's difficult for submariners Bavorskoami Sep 16 #104

True. Aristus Sep 16 #105

Next step will be ADA-compliant submarines. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 17 #108

I've been snarky in my posts on this... Think. Again. Sep 19 #116

Perhaps snark was the wrong vehicle to convey your concerns. yagotme Sep 20 #118

I see, thanks for that. Think. Again. Sep 20 #119