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Cirsium

(662 posts)
106. Yes
Sun Sep 15, 2024, 01:17 PM
Sep 15

Certainly the US claims to be a moral force for good in the world and representatives of the US shielded war criminals of the worst sort from receiving justice.

The US, of course, played a crucial role in defeating Nazi Germany. Over 400,000 Americans lost their lives in the war against Adolf Hitler. But there’s also a dark postscript to this story, one that began when World War II ended and one that we need to address now.

America’s been a haven for thousands of Nazis and Nazi collaborators who served in concentration camps and death squads and SS units. Several were even leaders of Nazi-allied governments. And we didn’t merely take them in – in some cases, we welcomed and protected them; we kept them safe from justice. It’s far past time we acknowledged it.

Besides the obvious ethical reasons for historical honesty, there are also social ones. We’re in the middle of a heated national conversation fueled by a hunger for racial justice. But how can we hope to acknowledge the impact of centuries-old institutions like slavery and Jim Crow when we can’t be honest about coddling perpetrators of the Holocaust, which still has living eyewitnesses, victims and veterans? We can’t get to 1619 if we can’t get past 1945.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/24/opinions/dark-postscript-america-nazis-golinkin/index.html


How Thousands Of Nazis Were 'Rewarded' With Life In The U.S.

Of all the [Holocaust] survivors in the camps, only a few thousand came in in [the] first year or so. To get a visa was a precious commodity, and there were immigration policymakers in Washington who were on record saying that they didn't think the Jews should be let in because they were "lazy people" or "entitled people" and they didn't want them in.

But there were many, many thousands of Nazi collaborators who got visas to the United States while the survivors did not — even though they had been, for instance, the head of a Nazi concentration camp, the warden at a camp, or the secret police chief in Lithuania who signed the death warrants for people. ...

The bulk of the people who got into the United States — some were from Germany itself, some in fact were senior officers in the Nazi party under Hitler — but more were the Nazi collaborators.

https://www.npr.org/2014/11/05/361427276/how-thousands-of-nazis-were-rewarded-with-life-in-the-u-s


The History of Nazi Immigration to the U.S. Has Been Forgotten

Canada and the United States allowed and even encouraged the immigration of Nazi collaborators and Holocaust perpetrators in the years following the war. If the public remembers this history, it is likely through the frame of fictional “Nazi hunting” narratives, like those featured in the Indiana Jones movies or the Amazon Prime show Hunters. Or perhaps we take note when a former Nazi makes the news, as in the case of former Cleveland resident and concentration camp guard Ivan “John” Demjanjuk.

But these narratives obscure the more typical stories of Nazis in North America, especially in the U.S. Our popular memory has downplayed the welcome offered to Nazi immigrants after the war, which is how Americans, like Canadians, have repeatedly blithely celebrated men from units accused of contributing to atrocities.

Near the end of the war, as Allied armies regained ground and began camp liberations, collaborators fled their posts in droves to avoid the violent reprisal that awaited them upon capture. This was particularly true for Eastern European collaborators, whose roles spanned from pogrom participation to auxiliary policing and SS membership. They could blend in among those displaced by the war more easily than Germans and Austrians, and then concoct plausible back stories that did not implicate them for their contributions to the Nazi cause. Those who made it to U.S. and British-administered Allied zones found that if they voiced fear of political retribution for anti-Soviet views, they could become eligible for emigration.

https://time.com/6322156/history-of-nazi-immigration/


Nazi-era war criminals often had safe haven in the United States

The re-opening of our borders in the years following World War II allowed thousands of collaborators and accomplices of the Nazi regime to make their way to the United States. A small number of them were knowingly brought in by U.S. intelligence services. Most came through the system undetected amid an influx of nearly 400,000 war-displaced persons. At the time, officials set a preposterously high bar for complicity in war crimes. That, combined with an initial lack of knowledge about the Holocaust, made it easy for applicants to cover up their backgrounds on their immigration forms.

Once here, it was as easy to escape justice. Adrija Artukovic, minister of the Interior and Justice in Croatia during the war, sneaked into the U.S. under an assumed name in 1948 and settled in Seal Beach. Known in Yugoslavia as the Butcher of the Balkans, Artukovic was described by a U.S. official as Croatia’s Himmler. American authorities knew he was here as early as 1949, but he wasn’t arrested and returned to Croatia for trial until the 1980s. His death sentence was never carried out; he died in 1988.

For the first two decades after World War II, the INS brought very few “denaturalization” cases to court, a total of five for the entire 1950s. Only one of these war criminals was successfully denaturalized. The 1960s saw just two cases pursued, despite INS being flooded with dozens if not hundreds of tips on potential war criminals living among us. The cases it did manage to bring to court in the 1950s and 1960s were so poorly constructed that even a Romanian Iron Guard member and virulent anti-Semite, Valerian Trifa, was not stripped of his citizenship. As for deportations, the INS filed no more than 10 cases against suspected war criminals from 1945 to 1973.

https://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/ucla-faculty-voice:-nazi-era-war-criminals-often-had-safe-haven-in-the-united-states

As if being forced to carry and raise an unwanted child is somehow virtuous, Clouds Passing Sep 14 #1
The Church took me from my mother and trafficked me ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 14 #2
I'm so sorry that happened to you AkDem1... Clouds Passing Sep 14 #3
To quote Jerry Garcia, what a long, strange trip it's been ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 14 #6
I hope you can find your natal family. Clouds Passing Sep 14 #8
My gosh! That is horrible. Karma13612 Sep 14 #15
Thank you. I should go to the Basque gathering in Boise ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 14 #25
Have you tried having a DNA test through someplace like Ancestry.com? wnylib Sep 14 #54
I got an Ancestry kit from my wife for my birthday ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 15 #57
Have you tried contacting the 3rd cousin? wnylib Sep 15 #62
I dont even have a real name for the father ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 15 #127
Good luck. I hope you get some helpful results. wnylib Sep 15 #134
you might be able to triangulate relatives. carpetbagger Sep 15 #133
Thank you. I wish I had more names to look at ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 16 #155
The journey could be very Karma13612 Sep 15 #89
ArkansasDem, I am so sorry this happened to you! Have you ever seen the TV show "Long Lost Family"? It's on TLC LaMouffette Sep 16 #154
Thank you 😊 ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 16 #156
This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib Sep 14 #43
Isn't the entire structure of the RC Church misogynistic? wnylib Sep 14 #49
Yes, they protect and promote patriarchy with devotional fervor. Clouds Passing Sep 14 #50
Just another pedo talking smack... ask him about this pedo priests NotHardly Sep 15 #103
As one of the lesser evil Popes, I am sure someone must care what he thinks. nt Gore1FL Sep 14 #4
Bring back Julius II Nasruddin Sep 14 #27
My vote goes to Innocent III, but there are so many good candidates... malthaussen Sep 15 #101
you mean a lesser Pope who is also evil? Or a Pope who is less evil? LymphocyteLover Sep 15 #115
I think he is less evil than many. Gore1FL Sep 15 #120
yes, that is my impression too... I'm not Catholic either LymphocyteLover Sep 15 #121
Same here. ShazzieB Sep 15 #138
he was the German one? With some faint connection to Nazis? LymphocyteLover Sep 16 #150
Yes. ShazzieB Sep 16 #158
The Pope Has A Lot Of Nerve OhioTim Sep 14 #5
Shhhh... Sexually harrassing and abusing young boys is... Justice matters. Sep 14 #47
It is odd, we say religious leaders should not endorse candidates sarisataka Sep 14 #7
It's not the fact that they're not endorsing Harris that angers us. yourout Sep 15 #77
According to Catholic doctrine abortion is evil sarisataka Sep 15 #102
As a point of fact ... krkaufman Sep 15 #112
How so? niyad Sep 15 #94
The SOP for LBN requires sarisataka Sep 15 #98
This seems a biased response krkaufman Sep 15 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Sep 15 #139
Per LBN SOP sarisataka Sep 15 #140
The catholic church is evil JI7 Sep 14 #9
So vote for Harris. If you are female and don't want an abortion, don't get one. Freethinker65 Sep 14 #10
Yes, the "Pro-Life" label is bulls**t krkaufman Sep 15 #113
Old guy... 2naSalit Sep 14 #11
Child rapists wearing dresses....... AZ8theist Sep 14 #38
Somebody evidently asked him for his opinion. ShazzieB Sep 15 #141
And the best answer... 2naSalit Sep 15 #142
LOL Skittles Sep 14 #12
Meddling In America's Election Is Not The Pope's Business DallasNE Sep 14 #13
I doubt he would have piped up if someone hadn't asked for his opinion. ShazzieB Sep 15 #144
I'm saddened by this equivocation. Karma13612 Sep 14 #14
No ... and you're not helping FakeNoose Sep 14 #16
OMG the pipe needs to keep his opinion to himself onetexan Sep 14 #17
Nothing in the Bible says anything against abortion. slightlv Sep 14 #18
Conversly, it can be argued that God ORDERED abortions in several verses.... AZ8theist Sep 14 #39
Numbers 5:11 is where it gives directions ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 15 #59
Exactly.... AZ8theist Sep 15 #61
Spoken like the pedophile-protecting person that he is. Scalded Nun Sep 14 #19
....the Church would not oppose.. thomski64 Sep 14 #40
Tell us more Bronze Age fairy tales, weirdo Mysterian Sep 14 #20
I'm sick of religious nuts sticking their nose FoxNewsSucks Sep 14 #21
The Pope. So what damifino10 Sep 14 #22
Irrelevant Old Man Seeks Attention tonekat Sep 15 #125
Seeking attention? ShazzieB Sep 15 #145
This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Sep 14 #23
Is that kinda like a priest that sexually abuses alter boys vs one that doesn't? PortTack Sep 14 #24
At this point, I really don't care what the pope says tornado34jh Sep 14 #26
Didn't the Catholic Church... orwell Sep 14 #28
They sheltered Nazis fleeing justice after WW2 ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 14 #33
As did the US. speak easy Sep 14 #46
"Our Nazis are better than their Nazis". -- the right stuff ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 15 #58
"entity claiming to be a moral force for good " speak easy Sep 15 #65
Yes Cirsium Sep 15 #106
The Vatican also directly supported the Ustae. Lucky Luciano Sep 15 #73
Do remember though that Protestant Germans were more pro-Nazi. carpetbagger Sep 15 #131
The Catholic Church has been an international criminal racket for many centuries Orrex Sep 14 #29
Reicht wing talking points. onecaliberal Sep 14 #30
Francis exhibits his ignorance of American politics and law. J_William_Ryan Sep 14 #31
... Says the guy who leads a massive org full of child molesters kysrsoze Sep 14 #32
I'll never darken their doors again ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 14 #35
I quit 5 decades ago when I turned 18 SCantiGOP Sep 14 #51
I missed watching Dr Who which was only broadcast by PBS on Sunday morning ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 15 #60
It's not as if we're voting for a woman pope for Christ's sake. dem4decades Sep 14 #34
God is supposed to give humans Pototan Sep 14 #36
This makes sense to me. ShazzieB Sep 15 #146
He's still a thing? Javaman Sep 14 #37
Not everyone's. niyad Sep 15 #96
Shut up, frankie. niyad Sep 14 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 14 #42
In my lifetime Figarosmom Sep 14 #44
When I was born heckles65 Sep 14 #45
Hmmm ... BlueWavePsych Sep 14 #48
Exactly. niyad Sep 15 #55
Yep musclecar6 Sep 15 #76
Good summation! ShazzieB Sep 15 #147
Global Pedo Network CEO says what? RockRaven Sep 14 #52
So who's the lesser of two evils in his mind? Self Esteem Sep 14 #53
Abortion? or Magdalene laundries? Which is the bigger "against life", frankie? niyad Sep 15 #56
What about the life of the woman??? poli-junkie Sep 15 #63
Yes. Remember the scene in "The Cardinal" where his sister is in labor, niyad Sep 15 #95
He's helping TSF at the ballot box. KS Toronado Sep 15 #64
Pretend God's pretend leader of a pretend religion pretends that his opinion is helpful in some pretentious way. Demnation Sep 15 #66
The only thing I'll take from the Vatican is its vast amount of art. CTyankee Sep 15 #67
If it's stated that way, as a referendum on evil EYESORE 9001 Sep 15 #68
The Pope needs to sit this one out. SallyHemmings Sep 15 #69
The pope needs to sit them all out. yourout Sep 15 #79
Hey Francis rambler_american Sep 15 #70
Go away, silly pope man. mwb970 Sep 15 #71
Adultery was indeed a valid exception for abortion. Shermann Sep 15 #72
The high holy Poop speaks RT_Fanatic Sep 15 #74
I call the choice between Catholism and any other belief system... LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 15 #75
Religion. twodogsbarking Sep 15 #78
Another religious cult nwduke Sep 15 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author ificandream Sep 15 #81
I've Got No Time For Holy Rollers... MayReasonRule Sep 15 #82
This is disappointing, coming from a pope who I have admired through the years. NH Ethylene Sep 15 #83
Look, I don't listen to the pope LittleGirl Sep 15 #84
Kills children? I don't recall Harris doing that. cstanleytech Sep 15 #85
That's Catholic theology for you. ShazzieB Sep 15 #148
So the Roman Church is saying that women can't be trusted to Taraman Sep 15 #86
Growing up among Catholics and having gone to Catholic schools ... ificandream Sep 15 #87
As it was explained to me in Catholic College: BarbD Sep 15 #117
How about a religious cult known for pedophiles ... their leader speaks NotHardly Sep 15 #88
as a "cradle Catholic" all I have to say... robleb Sep 15 #90
Trump is evil, Harris is not IronLionZion Sep 15 #91
Softened and without vulgarity that comes to mind... Trust_Reality Sep 15 #92
All "holy men" are full of shit, by definition. N/T swag Sep 15 #93
glass houses poozwah Sep 15 #97
Thanks for your input, asshole. malthaussen Sep 15 #99
"Lighten up Francis." SalamanderSleeps Sep 15 #100
fuck off you child abuse covering up motherfucker pope ZonkerHarris Sep 15 #104
My reply about the Catholic church respecting women on Twitter: efhmc Sep 15 #105
"kills children" FUCK YOU FRANCIS. Ferrets are Cool Sep 15 #107
Francis gets more credit than he deserves ... from climate change to this issue krkaufman Sep 15 #108
This EXACTLY why joewicker_TX Sep 15 #109
Actually this represents an improvement Chrysanthemum Sep 15 #111
Good point! ShazzieB Sep 15 #149
Francis and his church can go fuck themselves!!! atreides1 Sep 15 #114
Isn't this the Pope who invited Bernie MadameButterfly Sep 15 #116
Lighten up, Francis. Turbineguy Sep 15 #118
In my small Texas town there is a thriving Catholic church. The priest there says "from the pulpit" efhmc Sep 15 #119
Dear Pope relayerbob Sep 15 #122
My favorite pope of all time proves that he is still just a pope. Intractable Sep 15 #123
I guess the ol' Pontiff got a bit thirsty for the Both Cider Montauk6 Sep 15 #124
Okay - but he and his cult are greater evils. polichick Sep 15 #126
Excuse me, but who asked him? Grins Sep 15 #128
That sanctimonious toad... GiqueCee Sep 15 #129
Atheist or Catholic. Which is the lesser of two evils and it isn't Catholic? twodogsbarking Sep 15 #130
Ha! ... beat me to it! sarchasm Sep 15 #132
Catholics are evil? sarisataka Sep 15 #137
I don't think so but the pope does. twodogsbarking Sep 16 #151
Catholic church 4catsmom Sep 15 #135
Fuck Francis if he cares more about the possibility of a fetus being delivered than the mother surviving the birth. Martin68 Sep 15 #136
The Pope can only reflect the values of his faith. Aussie105 Sep 15 #143
It isn't a straight choice between two things. What about dictatorship vs freedom? Left to die vs healthcare? Doodley Sep 16 #152
The pope is an ass to say that PJMcK Sep 16 #153
Does it not occur to Mr. Pope that there would be fewer unplanned pregnancies if Kashkakat v.2.0 Sep 16 #157
Who asked him? milestogo Sep 16 #159
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