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EarlG

(23,038 posts)
65. I'm generally not a fan of excessive violent imagery when discussing politics
Sat May 17, 2025, 12:52 PM
May 17

People "eviscerating," "destroying," "annihilating," one another, etc. It's rampant in the political video space. But to be honest, it's more because these days that phraseology just feels like a lazy grab for views, rather than something offensively violent.

In fact in some ways, associating these words with politics may have made them seem less aggressive, particularly in the right context. These days when I see a headline that says, "Rachel Maddow eviscerates Politician X" the image that immediately springs to mind is of Maddow delivering a sensible and thoughtful monologue which uses hard facts to point out Politician X's inadequacies in a direct fashion. I don't imagine Maddow shoving a blade into Politician X's stomach and disemboweling him.

The language of war is often interchangeable with the language of politics, and context is hugely important. When a politician says "We need to fight" in the context of winning an election, that's one thing. When a politician says "We need to fight" in the context of storming the Capitol Building, that's another thing.

So how far do we take this? For example, if I look up the word "beat" on Merriam-Webster's site, here are the first few definitions:

1 : to strike repeatedly:
a : to hit repeatedly so as to inflict pain

2 a: to drive or force by blows
beat back his attackers
b: to pound into a powder, paste, or pulp

Then a bit further down:

4 a: overcome, defeat
beat the insurgents in a bloody battle
beating your opponent in chess

If someone posts on social media, "We need to beat Donald Trump," it's most likely that they mean we need to defeat him at the next election. They don't mean "we need to strike Donald Trump repeatedly so as to inflict pain. "

So I kinda feel like we're just quibbling over the definitions of words and their common usage. As far as I know -- and it seems from many responses I've read that this is the case -- "86" is absolutely in common usage as a word meaning "to get rid of" in a way that doesn't have to be violent. You may have a different reaction to it if your understanding of the word is different. But as far as I can tell, posting "8647" (or "8646" or whatever) seems to be roughly on par with saying that a politician needs to be "beaten."

(PS. Edited to add, I realized I already replied to your post previously. Apologies if I gave the impression that I'm piling on, that wasn't my intent.)

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86 meaning take them off the menu, not meaning murder. Clouds Passing May 16 #1
so you're ok with it then? WarGamer May 16 #2
Nah Clouds Passing May 16 #6
Poke poke Hekate May 16 #8
Everyone seems to know the original definition has restaurant roots... WarGamer May 16 #10
So the fact that the majority of us in the modern era think it means to get sacked, canned, ... Hekate May 16 #15
I thought it was sacked or canned... or slang for murder. WarGamer May 16 #17
You thought ForgedCrank May 18 #111
Why do you highlight that part and not other, more prominent portions of the same page? JHB May 18 #110
Evereyone gets to choose their own definition. I know what mine is. Jack Valentino May 16 #54
I know what mine is... "You're fired" Clouds Passing May 17 #59
I'm fine with it considering the say so many other worse terrible things. And I understood what it meant Walleye May 16 #3
What segment of the public thinks 86 means to "whack"? WarGamer May 16 #4
The party of butt-hurt boys. They know damn well what it means they're just being drama queens Walleye May 16 #5
What segment of the population threw baby fits when Amazon sold this merch? Hassin Bin Sober May 17 #71
Probably more than think the ok hand gesture is a white supremist symbol ....nt kelly1mm May 18 #81
Maybe 1%? Why are you buying into right wing propaganda? Wiz Imp May 18 #89
If it's in the slang dictionary as linked above... then whatever. WarGamer May 18 #91
Since when is something being in the slang dictionary Wiz Imp May 18 #98
Having no familiarity with "86," I wouldn't have known enough to be offended. Sogo May 16 #7
There was an 8646 bumper sticker in my neighborhood. I was tempted, but I never keyed the car. Scrivener7 May 16 #9
Everyone who ever went into a music club or bar knows it means to get tossed out or banned blm May 16 #11
apparently others think otherwise WarGamer May 16 #12
Yes, it might also mean that, but it hasn't been a common use in my not so sheltered life Ilikepurple May 16 #22
Well spotted Hekate May 20 #113
Horzhit is still Horzhit. blm May 16 #49
If youre so offended by it, why weren't you raising hell Wiz Imp May 18 #95
Because I literally never heard it used... I don't pore over RWNJ websites. WarGamer May 18 #96
I'm not buying into anything. But others... WarGamer May 18 #97
Then why are you asking about? Wiz Imp May 18 #101
Offended in what way? EarlG May 16 #13
I'm troubled by the coarseness in politics. WarGamer May 16 #16
There are loads of 8646 merch shops on Amazon EarlG May 16 #30
What are the other dictionaries? dpibel May 16 #47
'Fun to roil things up.' travelingthrulife May 17 #61
As Revenge! What's good for the goose... Jack Valentino May 16 #55
I'm generally not a fan of excessive violent imagery when discussing politics EarlG May 17 #65
You are "troubled by the coarseness in politics" --yet you pass it along to us & demand we be accountable for it Hekate May 20 #114
exactly correct proud patriot May 16 #23
Fact: 8646 WAS tossed around B.See May 16 #14
Then my response last year when Biden was 46 would have been... WarGamer May 16 #18
idiots indeed... B.See May 16 #25
Pretty easy to find examples of both 86-46 and 86-47. n/t Ms. Toad May 16 #19
Yeah I guess the OP missed that. Kingofalldems May 16 #38
Of course I would have been offended by 86-46 biophile May 16 #20
while I dissagreed with 86ing46 proud patriot May 16 #21
If i cared or not Mountainguy May 16 #24
"Both-sidesm" imo has nothing to do... Dem4life1970 May 16 #26
Yeah I'm not here JustAnotherGen May 16 #33
No. I'm not habitually offended. n/t flvegan May 16 #27
There should be an option for iemanja May 16 #28
86 means gone. I'd like 47, 86'd. OAITW r.2.0 May 16 #29
Comey knew it was wrong. He just wanted attention. This fool is not on our side. He sabotaged Hillary. Pisces May 16 #31
I saw bumper stickers JustAnotherGen May 16 #32
How I've always understood the term 86 it is to eject someone or cut off contact Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 16 #34
Trump is ok with violence against anyone he hates. JI7 May 16 #35
I thought Sarah Palin's poster of bullet holes during the 2008 campaign CrispyQ May 16 #36
Bad Things About DU and Democrats. Kingofalldems May 16 #37
Are you offended? W_HAMILTON May 16 #39
I had never seen the 86 46 stuff... probably because I don't digest RWNJ content... WarGamer May 17 #58
I knew from JustAnotherGen May 17 #63
I take that is a "yes"? /nt UniqueUserName May 17 #66
I didn't know about it because there were far worse things being said by MAGAts about Biden at the time. W_HAMILTON May 17 #72
I clarified in #16 WarGamer May 17 #73
The rise of political violence in our country has been primarily due to ever-increasing Republican extremism. W_HAMILTON May 18 #75
Post removed Post removed May 18 #88
Remind me how many have died in the attacks by the Left dpibel May 18 #103
Always blaming the left, even after the crimes were tracked to rightwingers blm May 18 #105
Good luck with that BannonsLiver May 18 #80
And BeerBarrelPolka May 18 #82
I've been away so I must have missed that one. BannonsLiver May 18 #83
I BeerBarrelPolka May 18 #85
So does the OP support the parade? BannonsLiver May 18 #86
Yes BeerBarrelPolka May 18 #87
"It's not about Trump it's about celebrating the Army." BannonsLiver May 18 #90
Perfect!! BeerBarrelPolka May 18 #93
A mind is a terrible thing to twist Blues Heron May 16 #40
They were out there a year ago... stillcool May 16 #41
8646 was tame compared to their *actual* threats of violence unblock May 16 #42
You don't need to ask "would" because RW influencers and trolls DID use it. RockRaven May 16 #43
I'm old, hence H2O Man May 16 #44
Imho markodochartaigh May 16 #45
How about when the president threatens someone's life? Kingofalldems May 16 #46
So was that in his "official capacity", or no ? Jack Valentino May 16 #56
The OP is only concerned about the hate going in one direction. BannonsLiver May 18 #79
They literally 86'd 46 last year . . . Johonny May 16 #48
It was. No one cared because it's stupid to get upset over. Self Esteem May 16 #50
I would be offended because they would've meant violence against Joe edbermac May 16 #51
I reject the "moral equivalence" of such. One is a decent human being, Jack Valentino May 16 #52
They have said worse. Blue Full Moon May 16 #53
It wouldn't have bothered me Kaleva May 16 #57
no because it means to get rid of eShirl May 17 #60
Just because you have a right to say something doesn't mean it's right to say it. DemocratSinceBirth May 17 #62
Intellectual honesty you say? Kingofalldems May 17 #64
Poll Is Too Pushy ProfessorGAC May 17 #67
You know, to be honest, I didn't like it when they did it senseandsensibility May 17 #68
I would have been offended Bluesaph May 17 #69
They have been par for the course for at least the past decade. Tommy Carcetti May 17 #70
What i 86 46 js code mean? msfiddlestix May 17 #74
It WAS all over the right wingosphere. Wiz Imp May 18 #76
I wouldn't have thought much about it, either way. Political talk. Buns_of_Fire May 18 #77
Agree. It was minor drivel until Dotard and his cult got his panties twisted in a wad. Norrrm May 18 #84
"Intellectual honesty" BannonsLiver May 18 #78
This might help if you don't have a dictionary handy. WarGamer May 18 #94
But your accusation isn't on that color wheel dpibel May 18 #102
The dictionary isn't the problem. BannonsLiver May 18 #106
86-46 would have been one of the least offensive things MAGA said or posted publically. mackdaddy May 18 #92
You mean against Biden? Yes. I would be offended ismnotwasm May 18 #99
I only knew the term in the speakeasy sense and to generally mean "to get rid of". lapucelle May 18 #100
They said worse Bettie May 18 #104
I'm saw it back then. Happy Hoosier May 18 #107
Never occurred to me this was alluding to violence or death still-prayin4rain May 18 #108
When the kitchen tells a waiter to "86" the roast chicken, it doesn't mean... LudwigPastorius May 18 #109
Meh. "8646" would have been pretty tame compared to much of the anti-Biden stuff I saw online 0rganism May 18 #112
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