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WarGamer

(17,516 posts)
Fri May 16, 2025, 07:44 PM May 16

Intellectual Honesty Test. Would you have been offended by "86-46" jargon thrown around a year ago?

I hate it when hatred of Trump... which he deserves... twists the minds of intelligent, rational people.


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I would have been fine with Steven Miller posting 86-46 memes
16 (33%)
I wouldn't like 86-46 memes a year ago but I'm fine with 86-47 jokes
2 (4%)
I straight up love 86-47 memes... Imma go buy the bumper sticker.
16 (33%)
They're both wrong.
14 (29%)
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Intellectual Honesty Test. Would you have been offended by "86-46" jargon thrown around a year ago? (Original Post) WarGamer May 16 OP
86 meaning take them off the menu, not meaning murder. Clouds Passing May 16 #1
so you're ok with it then? WarGamer May 16 #2
Nah Clouds Passing May 16 #6
Poke poke Hekate May 16 #8
Everyone seems to know the original definition has restaurant roots... WarGamer May 16 #10
So the fact that the majority of us in the modern era think it means to get sacked, canned, ... Hekate May 16 #15
I thought it was sacked or canned... or slang for murder. WarGamer May 16 #17
You thought ForgedCrank May 18 #111
Why do you highlight that part and not other, more prominent portions of the same page? JHB May 18 #110
Evereyone gets to choose their own definition. I know what mine is. Jack Valentino May 16 #54
I know what mine is... "You're fired" Clouds Passing May 17 #59
I'm fine with it considering the say so many other worse terrible things. And I understood what it meant Walleye May 16 #3
What segment of the public thinks 86 means to "whack"? WarGamer May 16 #4
The party of butt-hurt boys. They know damn well what it means they're just being drama queens Walleye May 16 #5
What segment of the population threw baby fits when Amazon sold this merch? Hassin Bin Sober May 17 #71
Probably more than think the ok hand gesture is a white supremist symbol ....nt kelly1mm May 18 #81
Maybe 1%? Why are you buying into right wing propaganda? Wiz Imp May 18 #89
If it's in the slang dictionary as linked above... then whatever. WarGamer May 18 #91
Since when is something being in the slang dictionary Wiz Imp May 18 #98
Having no familiarity with "86," I wouldn't have known enough to be offended. Sogo May 16 #7
There was an 8646 bumper sticker in my neighborhood. I was tempted, but I never keyed the car. Scrivener7 May 16 #9
Everyone who ever went into a music club or bar knows it means to get tossed out or banned blm May 16 #11
apparently others think otherwise WarGamer May 16 #12
Yes, it might also mean that, but it hasn't been a common use in my not so sheltered life Ilikepurple May 16 #22
Well spotted Hekate May 20 #113
Horzhit is still Horzhit. blm May 16 #49
If youre so offended by it, why weren't you raising hell Wiz Imp May 18 #95
Because I literally never heard it used... I don't pore over RWNJ websites. WarGamer May 18 #96
I'm not buying into anything. But others... WarGamer May 18 #97
Then why are you asking about? Wiz Imp May 18 #101
Offended in what way? EarlG May 16 #13
I'm troubled by the coarseness in politics. WarGamer May 16 #16
There are loads of 8646 merch shops on Amazon EarlG May 16 #30
What are the other dictionaries? dpibel May 16 #47
'Fun to roil things up.' travelingthrulife May 17 #61
As Revenge! What's good for the goose... Jack Valentino May 16 #55
I'm generally not a fan of excessive violent imagery when discussing politics EarlG May 17 #65
You are "troubled by the coarseness in politics" --yet you pass it along to us & demand we be accountable for it Hekate May 20 #114
exactly correct proud patriot May 16 #23
Fact: 8646 WAS tossed around B.See May 16 #14
Then my response last year when Biden was 46 would have been... WarGamer May 16 #18
idiots indeed... B.See May 16 #25
Pretty easy to find examples of both 86-46 and 86-47. n/t Ms. Toad May 16 #19
Yeah I guess the OP missed that. Kingofalldems May 16 #38
Of course I would have been offended by 86-46 biophile May 16 #20
while I dissagreed with 86ing46 proud patriot May 16 #21
If i cared or not Mountainguy May 16 #24
"Both-sidesm" imo has nothing to do... Dem4life1970 May 16 #26
Yeah I'm not here JustAnotherGen May 16 #33
No. I'm not habitually offended. n/t flvegan May 16 #27
There should be an option for iemanja May 16 #28
86 means gone. I'd like 47, 86'd. OAITW r.2.0 May 16 #29
Comey knew it was wrong. He just wanted attention. This fool is not on our side. He sabotaged Hillary. Pisces May 16 #31
I saw bumper stickers JustAnotherGen May 16 #32
How I've always understood the term 86 it is to eject someone or cut off contact Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 16 #34
Trump is ok with violence against anyone he hates. JI7 May 16 #35
I thought Sarah Palin's poster of bullet holes during the 2008 campaign CrispyQ May 16 #36
Bad Things About DU and Democrats. Kingofalldems May 16 #37
Are you offended? W_HAMILTON May 16 #39
I had never seen the 86 46 stuff... probably because I don't digest RWNJ content... WarGamer May 17 #58
I knew from JustAnotherGen May 17 #63
I take that is a "yes"? /nt UniqueUserName May 17 #66
I didn't know about it because there were far worse things being said by MAGAts about Biden at the time. W_HAMILTON May 17 #72
I clarified in #16 WarGamer May 17 #73
The rise of political violence in our country has been primarily due to ever-increasing Republican extremism. W_HAMILTON May 18 #75
Post removed Post removed May 18 #88
Remind me how many have died in the attacks by the Left dpibel May 18 #103
Always blaming the left, even after the crimes were tracked to rightwingers blm May 18 #105
Good luck with that BannonsLiver May 18 #80
And BeerBarrelPolka May 18 #82
I've been away so I must have missed that one. BannonsLiver May 18 #83
I BeerBarrelPolka May 18 #85
So does the OP support the parade? BannonsLiver May 18 #86
Yes BeerBarrelPolka May 18 #87
"It's not about Trump it's about celebrating the Army." BannonsLiver May 18 #90
Perfect!! BeerBarrelPolka May 18 #93
A mind is a terrible thing to twist Blues Heron May 16 #40
They were out there a year ago... stillcool May 16 #41
8646 was tame compared to their *actual* threats of violence unblock May 16 #42
You don't need to ask "would" because RW influencers and trolls DID use it. RockRaven May 16 #43
I'm old, hence H2O Man May 16 #44
Imho markodochartaigh May 16 #45
How about when the president threatens someone's life? Kingofalldems May 16 #46
So was that in his "official capacity", or no ? Jack Valentino May 16 #56
The OP is only concerned about the hate going in one direction. BannonsLiver May 18 #79
They literally 86'd 46 last year . . . Johonny May 16 #48
It was. No one cared because it's stupid to get upset over. Self Esteem May 16 #50
I would be offended because they would've meant violence against Joe edbermac May 16 #51
I reject the "moral equivalence" of such. One is a decent human being, Jack Valentino May 16 #52
They have said worse. Blue Full Moon May 16 #53
It wouldn't have bothered me Kaleva May 16 #57
no because it means to get rid of eShirl May 17 #60
Just because you have a right to say something doesn't mean it's right to say it. DemocratSinceBirth May 17 #62
Intellectual honesty you say? Kingofalldems May 17 #64
Poll Is Too Pushy ProfessorGAC May 17 #67
You know, to be honest, I didn't like it when they did it senseandsensibility May 17 #68
I would have been offended Bluesaph May 17 #69
They have been par for the course for at least the past decade. Tommy Carcetti May 17 #70
What i 86 46 js code mean? msfiddlestix May 17 #74
It WAS all over the right wingosphere. Wiz Imp May 18 #76
I wouldn't have thought much about it, either way. Political talk. Buns_of_Fire May 18 #77
Agree. It was minor drivel until Dotard and his cult got his panties twisted in a wad. Norrrm May 18 #84
"Intellectual honesty" BannonsLiver May 18 #78
This might help if you don't have a dictionary handy. WarGamer May 18 #94
But your accusation isn't on that color wheel dpibel May 18 #102
The dictionary isn't the problem. BannonsLiver May 18 #106
86-46 would have been one of the least offensive things MAGA said or posted publically. mackdaddy May 18 #92
You mean against Biden? Yes. I would be offended ismnotwasm May 18 #99
I only knew the term in the speakeasy sense and to generally mean "to get rid of". lapucelle May 18 #100
They said worse Bettie May 18 #104
I'm saw it back then. Happy Hoosier May 18 #107
Never occurred to me this was alluding to violence or death still-prayin4rain May 18 #108
When the kitchen tells a waiter to "86" the roast chicken, it doesn't mean... LudwigPastorius May 18 #109
Meh. "8646" would have been pretty tame compared to much of the anti-Biden stuff I saw online 0rganism May 18 #112

Hekate

(98,535 posts)
8. Poke poke
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:05 PM
May 16

What does this have to do with “intellectual honesty” ? When applied to Democratic politicians I simply went “meh” — knowing it to be an old restaurant term, not a call to murder.

I had more problem with bumper stickers referring to some Old Testament verse vis a vis Obama — if you looked it up, it was a death-curse against him, his widow, and his little children. If you already knew what it was and approved of the sentiment you could go around feeling all smug because it’s in the Bible. Now, that’s a nasty call for assassination in the name of Gawd.

But asking that someone be 86’d? Oh, please.

WarGamer

(17,516 posts)
10. Everyone seems to know the original definition has restaurant roots...
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:08 PM
May 16

Then there is this:

According to Cassell's Dictionary of Slang, "to 86" also means "to kill, to murder; to execute judicially," likely referring to the size of a standard grave being 2.5 feet wide by 8 feet long and 6 feet deep.[8][9] Other slang dictionaries confirm this definition.[10][11][12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86_(term)

Hekate

(98,535 posts)
15. So the fact that the majority of us in the modern era think it means to get sacked, canned, ...
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:17 PM
May 16

…and otherwise lose your job; or, in bars, be ejected for being drunk & obnoxious — so that has no bearing? Does your dictionary give an indication as to when it meant “murder” ? And why we should know that?

Be intellectually honest. Inquiring minds want to know.

WarGamer

(17,516 posts)
17. I thought it was sacked or canned... or slang for murder.
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:20 PM
May 16

Just like the dictionary definition.

Did Tony Soprano ever use the term? Tony Montana?

ForgedCrank

(2,757 posts)
111. You thought
Sun May 18, 2025, 11:04 PM
May 18

correctly. There's a lot of disingenuous denial going on with this thing.
And Comey has a history of doing stupid sh**. Our opposition is hungry for Democrats to do stuff like this so they can run with it. It's very damaging. It doesn't matter that most of us find this sort of behavior disgusting, we are all going to get labelled by this crap. It only bolsters their propaganda war against us.

JHB

(37,782 posts)
110. Why do you highlight that part and not other, more prominent portions of the same page?
Sun May 18, 2025, 11:03 PM
May 18

i.e.:

In the hospitality industry, it is used to indicate that an item is no longer available, traditionally from a food or drinks establishment, or referring to a person or people who are not welcome on the premises. Its etymology is unknown, but the term seems to have been coined in the 1920s or 1930s.

Etymology
There are many theories about the origin of the term. Possible origins include:

Rhyming slang for nix.[1]

Part of the jargon used by soda jerks. Walter Winchell wrote about this in 1933, in his syndicated On Broadway column.[2] In this, the code 13 meant that a boss was around, 81 was a glass of water and 86 meant "all out of it".[3] Professor Harold Bentley of Columbia University studied soda jerk jargon and reported other numeric codes such as 95 for a customer leaving without paying.[4]

Author Jef Klein theorized that the bar Chumley's at 86 Bedford Street in the West Village of Lower Manhattan was the source. His book The History and Stories of the Best Bars of New York claims that the police would call Chumley's bar during Prohibition before making a raid and tell the bartender to "86" his customers, meaning that they should exit out the 86 Bedford Street door, while the police would come to the Pamela Court entrance.[5]

Walleye

(41,393 posts)
3. I'm fine with it considering the say so many other worse terrible things. And I understood what it meant
Fri May 16, 2025, 07:55 PM
May 16

I’m definitely not fine with the huge pictures of him hog tied in the back of a truck.

Walleye

(41,393 posts)
5. The party of butt-hurt boys. They know damn well what it means they're just being drama queens
Fri May 16, 2025, 07:58 PM
May 16

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,151 posts)
71. What segment of the population threw baby fits when Amazon sold this merch?
Sat May 17, 2025, 04:37 PM
May 17

Obviously Amazon didn’t think it meant murder the president.



Wiz Imp

(5,979 posts)
89. Maybe 1%? Why are you buying into right wing propaganda?
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:37 PM
May 18

I've never heard it used in that context and nobody I know has either.

Wiz Imp

(5,979 posts)
98. Since when is something being in the slang dictionary
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:52 PM
May 18

Mean that is the one and only definition that is ever meant by the word? Considering there are tons of words (including 86) that have many different possible slang meanings, the whole idea is preposterous.

Sogo

(6,436 posts)
7. Having no familiarity with "86," I wouldn't have known enough to be offended.
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:00 PM
May 16

As a previous poster mentioned, him being tied up in the back of a truck is much more offensive.

Scrivener7

(56,378 posts)
9. There was an 8646 bumper sticker in my neighborhood. I was tempted, but I never keyed the car.
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:07 PM
May 16

blm

(114,220 posts)
11. Everyone who ever went into a music club or bar knows it means to get tossed out or banned
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:08 PM
May 16

It’s ridiculous to pander to the absurdity of this horzhit narrative the Republican lie machine has adopted.

There is no ‘intellectual honesty’ to accepting horzhit.

Ilikepurple

(259 posts)
22. Yes, it might also mean that, but it hasn't been a common use in my not so sheltered life
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:33 PM
May 16

Often strings of letters and audible sounds have multiple meanings. Language use develops and changes, sometimes departing largely from its origins. I see you’ve chosen to focus on a presently uncommon use. I don’t care about the reputed origins of its use. There are generations of us that have never meant this when discussing what to do with an unruly customer or out of stock item. Did we really need to get tested on this or do you have some ulterior motive? Do we have to adapt our use of language to your finite exposure to a term? Maybe Tonies Soprano and Montana and google aren’t the best sources for modern English uses. By reading your responses, it seems intellectual honesty really wasn’t what was being tested here. I really don’t know what was being tested other than your ability to engage others on the virtues of language use.

Wiz Imp

(5,979 posts)
95. If youre so offended by it, why weren't you raising hell
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:48 PM
May 18

About it years ago when it was a thing? It was never widely used to mean murdering someone.

From Miriam Webster:
While referencing that there have been uses of it to mean killing, the dictionary said, “We do not enter this sense, due to its relative recency and sparseness of use.”

You' buying into right wing bullshit. Please stop.

Wiz Imp

(5,979 posts)
101. Then why are you asking about?
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:55 PM
May 18

It's the magasphere and only the magasphere that is trying to pretend it's a thing.

EarlG

(23,051 posts)
13. Offended in what way?
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:13 PM
May 16

I’m generally offended by pretty much anything MAGA does, but if you mean would I have taken 8646 as a death threat, the answer is no…

WarGamer

(17,516 posts)
16. I'm troubled by the coarseness in politics.
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:18 PM
May 16

I mean... there has always been some of it, even back to the early 19th Century but in the past few decades it's become a bloodsport.

I'm not a stupid person... and I thought 86 meant "get rid of" or slang for murder.

Apparently that's how it's defined in slang dictionaries.

What we're seeing in the last decade...

Is those who advocated strongly against authoritarian power are now advocating authoritarian power to fight the authoritarians...

yes it sounds convoluted but that's what's happening...

"those damn Jan 6 thugs... when do WE tear up the Supreme Court" stuff like that.

That's the whole intellectual honesty test.

If you're not happy when X does Y... how can you promote Y doing X?

EarlG

(23,051 posts)
30. There are loads of 8646 merch shops on Amazon
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:59 PM
May 16

Last edited Sat May 17, 2025, 01:01 PM - Edit history (1)

I wasn’t even aware of them until today and my reaction was pretty much “meh.”

For as long as I’ve been following politics, conservative merch stores have been selling “liberal hunting permits” and that’s always struck me as an explicit threat. Compared to “second amendment solutions” and “when can we kill these people?” 8647 seems extremely mild by comparison.

Edited to add: I replied to your post again, below, with some more comprehensive thoughts.

dpibel

(3,615 posts)
47. What are the other dictionaries?
Fri May 16, 2025, 09:56 PM
May 16

You've quoted Cassell's Dictionary of Slang and, far as I can tell, no other source.

Yet you now refer to "slang dictionaries" [emphasis supplied]. Did you just sort of ramp up your citation power there? Did you have any support for that?

Fun fact: check out The Online Slang Dictionary, which has overlooked this common, multiply sourced definition [not trying to vouch for the source, but it's a source...]:

Definition of 86
86
adjective

to be cut off from contact.

He's gonna be 86 if he doesn't call me back!

See more words with the same meaning: to reject, ignore.

Last edited on Nov 26 2010. Submitted by Britny S. from CA, USA on May 17 1999.

verb - transitive

to get rid of something.

She was cheating on me, so I had to 86 her.

My boyfriend 86ed me.

I need to 86 my job.

See more words with the same meaning: to discard.

Last edited on Nov 26 2010. Submitted by Eric D. from Watertown, MA, USA on May 07 2002.
to stop selling an item in a restaurant, because there is no more.

86 the lobster.

See more words with the same meaning: food and drink (related to).

Last edited on Nov 26 2010. Submitted by Anonymous from Charleston, WV, USA on Dec 03 2004.
to eject from a venue.

I was 86ed from the bar last night.

See more words with the same meaning: to restrict, forbid, eject.

Last edited on Nov 26 2010. Submitted by Walter Rader (Editor) from Sacramento, CA, USA on Feb 05 2010.



Based on the responses here (which, obviously, is a tiny number of people) your belief that everybody knows 86 means to kill is not firmly founded.

But it's fun to roil things up, isn't it?

travelingthrulife

(2,862 posts)
61. 'Fun to roil things up.'
Sat May 17, 2025, 10:20 AM
May 17

How to make a big deal out of a true nothingburger. That might be intellectual dishonesty.

EarlG

(23,051 posts)
65. I'm generally not a fan of excessive violent imagery when discussing politics
Sat May 17, 2025, 12:52 PM
May 17

People "eviscerating," "destroying," "annihilating," one another, etc. It's rampant in the political video space. But to be honest, it's more because these days that phraseology just feels like a lazy grab for views, rather than something offensively violent.

In fact in some ways, associating these words with politics may have made them seem less aggressive, particularly in the right context. These days when I see a headline that says, "Rachel Maddow eviscerates Politician X" the image that immediately springs to mind is of Maddow delivering a sensible and thoughtful monologue which uses hard facts to point out Politician X's inadequacies in a direct fashion. I don't imagine Maddow shoving a blade into Politician X's stomach and disemboweling him.

The language of war is often interchangeable with the language of politics, and context is hugely important. When a politician says "We need to fight" in the context of winning an election, that's one thing. When a politician says "We need to fight" in the context of storming the Capitol Building, that's another thing.

So how far do we take this? For example, if I look up the word "beat" on Merriam-Webster's site, here are the first few definitions:

1 : to strike repeatedly:
a : to hit repeatedly so as to inflict pain

2 a: to drive or force by blows
beat back his attackers
b: to pound into a powder, paste, or pulp

Then a bit further down:

4 a: overcome, defeat
beat the insurgents in a bloody battle
beating your opponent in chess

If someone posts on social media, "We need to beat Donald Trump," it's most likely that they mean we need to defeat him at the next election. They don't mean "we need to strike Donald Trump repeatedly so as to inflict pain. "

So I kinda feel like we're just quibbling over the definitions of words and their common usage. As far as I know -- and it seems from many responses I've read that this is the case -- "86" is absolutely in common usage as a word meaning "to get rid of" in a way that doesn't have to be violent. You may have a different reaction to it if your understanding of the word is different. But as far as I can tell, posting "8647" (or "8646" or whatever) seems to be roughly on par with saying that a politician needs to be "beaten."

(PS. Edited to add, I realized I already replied to your post previously. Apologies if I gave the impression that I'm piling on, that wasn't my intent.)

Hekate

(98,535 posts)
114. You are "troubled by the coarseness in politics" --yet you pass it along to us & demand we be accountable for it
Tue May 20, 2025, 05:28 PM
May 20

Thank you. I literally LOLed.

B.See

(5,839 posts)
14. Fact: 8646 WAS tossed around
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:17 PM
May 16

a year or so ago. Along with Biden hogtied, he and other Democrats pictured in cross hairs, and actual threats of violence, made by Trump, MAGAS, and their elected representatives.

Only, few heard of it (as evidenced by the question) as nothing much was ever made of it.

Because, as I said, they're only good at MAKING threats.

Matt Gaetz insists his use of ‘86’ is ‘distinct’ from Comey’s ‘threat’ as MAGA accused of hypocrisy over term

WarGamer

(17,516 posts)
18. Then my response last year when Biden was 46 would have been...
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:23 PM
May 16

"Idiots are going to get someone killed"

B.See

(5,839 posts)
25. idiots indeed...
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:37 PM
May 16

"I have the most loyal people -- did you ever see that?"

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" (Trump)

Kingofalldems

(39,717 posts)
38. Yeah I guess the OP missed that.
Fri May 16, 2025, 09:22 PM
May 16

I saw shit like that every day--some with Biden in a casket.

biophile

(813 posts)
20. Of course I would have been offended by 86-46
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:26 PM
May 16

But I don’t care if they are offended by 86-47 because after 2020 I had to see bumper stickers that said-

Joe and the Ho have got to go

Let’s go Brandon

Biden Sucks

And some others I have forgotten, so I REALLY don’t care if they are offended at this point

proud patriot

(102,128 posts)
21. while I dissagreed with 86ing46
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:32 PM
May 16

it is valid political discourse imo.

it is not a threat of violence but is a threat of getting thrown out , fired, canned etc.



 

Mountainguy

(2,145 posts)
24. If i cared or not
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:36 PM
May 16

Is really immaterial. Neither would have risen to the level of a threat.

And I don't think we need to parse words to make that call.

I can wear a shirt that says "Fuck Trump" and any reasonable person would take that as me calling for people to have sex with him.

The context here is clear. It is calling for an end to the administration, not an assassination.

Dem4life1970

(932 posts)
26. "Both-sidesm" imo has nothing to do...
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:42 PM
May 16

...with intellectual honesty. I seem to have forgotten when any Democratic President over the last 249 years has ever launched a violent attack on the US Capitol, then pardoned the violent offenders, including the people who *killed* a Capitol Police Officer. Someone please refresh my memory....

JustAnotherGen

(35,636 posts)
33. Yeah I'm not here
Fri May 16, 2025, 09:07 PM
May 16

To be nice about a Dictator. Nope.

There is no political solution to this problem from hell.

iemanja

(56,246 posts)
28. There should be an option for
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:47 PM
May 16

It’s not acceptable now or then. You assume everyone thinks it’s okay.

Pisces

(6,061 posts)
31. Comey knew it was wrong. He just wanted attention. This fool is not on our side. He sabotaged Hillary.
Fri May 16, 2025, 09:01 PM
May 16

We should not be falling into his trap

JustAnotherGen

(35,636 posts)
32. I saw bumper stickers
Fri May 16, 2025, 09:05 PM
May 16

Of President Biden bound and gagged.

I put up with that - they can put up with 8647

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(125,909 posts)
34. How I've always understood the term 86 it is to eject someone or cut off contact
Fri May 16, 2025, 09:09 PM
May 16

First time I've ever heard it referred to as a violent act.

CrispyQ

(39,964 posts)
36. I thought Sarah Palin's poster of bullet holes during the 2008 campaign
Fri May 16, 2025, 09:17 PM
May 16

was much worse. 86 doesn't always mean kill.

W_HAMILTON

(9,311 posts)
39. Are you offended?
Fri May 16, 2025, 09:29 PM
May 16

If you are -- while we are conducting intellectual honesty tests -- can you point to any of your previous posts where you criticized MAGA for using the same phrasing against Biden?

WarGamer

(17,516 posts)
58. I had never seen the 86 46 stuff... probably because I don't digest RWNJ content...
Sat May 17, 2025, 12:45 AM
May 17

How did you know about it?

W_HAMILTON

(9,311 posts)
72. I didn't know about it because there were far worse things being said by MAGAts about Biden at the time.
Sat May 17, 2025, 06:29 PM
May 17

The fact that it was said and most around here didn't even know about it at the time -- much less post about it, much less get offended by it -- and don't see it as a threat IS being intellectually honest.

Now, answer the question: are you offended by 8647 even though you weren't when they said something similar about Biden? Hell, as I said, they said much worse -- do you have any past posts you can point to where you criticize them for all the hateful threats they made against Biden, fellow Democrat and very much non-digestor of RWNJ content?

WarGamer

(17,516 posts)
73. I clarified in #16
Sat May 17, 2025, 08:25 PM
May 17

Yes I'm offended by all of it.

25 years ago I'd laugh at the suggestion of a hot Civil War because after all.. Americans would rather watch football together and BBQ than argue about politics.

That's changed.

Now we see more and more citizens openly suggesting violence...

Hell... Trump came an inch away from being living proof.

It's ALL wrong.

And I don't have a solution.

We used to think that the Judicial system would always keep the ship upright BUT nowadays Judges are as partisan as House members...

To sum it up... we're in a bad place and getting worse.

W_HAMILTON

(9,311 posts)
75. The rise of political violence in our country has been primarily due to ever-increasing Republican extremism.
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:02 PM
May 18

As for those stoking political violence, there has been no one more prominent doing so than Trump himself.

So, intellectual honesty test: do you agree?

Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #75)

dpibel

(3,615 posts)
103. Remind me how many have died in the attacks by the Left
Sun May 18, 2025, 09:09 PM
May 18

You're equating Timothy McVeigh with torching Teslas.

I'm not even sure what you're referring to in your statement that "in the last ten years ... we've seen an increase on the left."

Are you peddling "Portland has been burned to the ground"?

blm

(114,220 posts)
105. Always blaming the left, even after the crimes were tracked to rightwingers
Sun May 18, 2025, 09:38 PM
May 18

Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War
https://www.vice.com/en/article/far-right-extremists-are-hoping-to-turn-the-george-floyd-protests-into-a-new-civil-war/

Far-right accelerationists hope to spark the next US civil war
https://www.facingsouth.org/2021/02/far-right-accelerationists-hope-spark-next-us-civil-war

BannonsLiver

(19,395 posts)
83. I've been away so I must have missed that one.
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:31 PM
May 18

I guess they’re not trying to even hide the adoration anymore.

unblock

(55,378 posts)
42. 8646 was tame compared to their *actual* threats of violence
Fri May 16, 2025, 09:40 PM
May 16

They talked about second amendment solutions, they put democratic candidates in sniper crosshairs, and they talked about executing democrats for treason.

8646 was nothing compared to that.

They've been overtly talking about violence against the left for ages. I remember an Ann Coulter from the 80s I think, about how they should kill all the liberals except a few to leave as an example.

RockRaven

(17,623 posts)
43. You don't need to ask "would" because RW influencers and trolls DID use it.
Fri May 16, 2025, 09:44 PM
May 16

A number of such people are having their hysteria today confronted with quote tweets of their own posts from several years ago.

And I thought it was dumb, but also thought it was a waste of time talking about it, and would have found it ridiculous mismanagement and an abuse of power to treat it like a threat and worthy of law enforcement action.

H2O Man

(77,329 posts)
44. I'm old, hence
Fri May 16, 2025, 09:51 PM
May 16

had to google what it means.

Poverty and suffering offends me. Not much else does.

markodochartaigh

(3,338 posts)
45. Imho
Fri May 16, 2025, 09:54 PM
May 16

A) A cursory search shows hundreds of synonyms for kill. 86 is no where near the most explicit.

B) Trump is not equivalent to Biden. Trump isn't even equivalent to Bush ll, Reagan, or Nixon. Trying to draw an equivalency is like unplugging your appliances whenever a lightning bug flies by your house.

Jack Valentino

(2,795 posts)
52. I reject the "moral equivalence" of such. One is a decent human being,
Fri May 16, 2025, 10:31 PM
May 16

and one clearly is not (to understate the matter).


I didn't like the tailgate images of Biden bound and shot through the head,
but I'm completely down with such a picture of Trump, and he deserves such memes.

86 47 !

eShirl

(19,385 posts)
60. no because it means to get rid of
Sat May 17, 2025, 10:12 AM
May 17

throw something in the trash
not fucking murder or execute

ProfessorGAC

(73,572 posts)
67. Poll Is Too Pushy
Sat May 17, 2025, 01:25 PM
May 17

So I pass.
The Miller reference in the first choice is pointlessly provocative.
You're not polling to get to a point..You're polling to MAKE a point.
BTW: I don't think the term "86" is anything to be concerned about, but if Millwr said it, I would be suspicious of HIS intentions. The context matters.
Perhaps it doesn't matter if it interferes with one's point.

senseandsensibility

(22,842 posts)
68. You know, to be honest, I didn't like it when they did it
Sat May 17, 2025, 04:11 PM
May 17

Last edited Sat May 17, 2025, 06:44 PM - Edit history (1)

And they did do it to Biden, and that's important. And they did worse, such as the hog tied Biden on the pick up that many people have referenced. I found that alarming at the time. Did I call a cop? No. I fail to see any evidence in your OP or in the replies that we are sinking to their level or showing hypocrisy in our response to the situations. They have done worse many times, and our side did not overreact. Comey's post was childsplay in comparison, and they completely and ridiculously overreacted using the power of the government to do so. So, do I feel owned? No. As usual, they are the worst offenders by far, and the biggest complainers and I am not going to navel gaze about it while they destroy the country. Sorry. And just to be clear, I do not believe that Comey was calling for violence and I am 100% against violence.

Tommy Carcetti

(44,020 posts)
70. They have been par for the course for at least the past decade.
Sat May 17, 2025, 04:27 PM
May 17

I saw 86-45 messages, 86-46 messages and 86-47 messages.

So it’s more or less shrug worthy for me. It’s been done. Knew what “86” meant long ago. Didn’t really bother me.

Honestly, it is slightly more creative than that “Let’s Go Brandon” bullshit they were pushing. That one was really pathetic and cringeworthy.

Then there were the real disturbing ones suggesting violence. Those did upset me.

Wiz Imp

(5,979 posts)
76. It WAS all over the right wingosphere.
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:09 PM
May 18

Who cares? Everyone (sane) knows it wasn't calling for him to be killed, just defeated in the election or impeached. Big deal - of course they wanted to get rid of Biden out of the Presidency - what else would you expect?

Buns_of_Fire

(18,591 posts)
77. I wouldn't have thought much about it, either way. Political talk.
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:14 PM
May 18

But then, I take "86" in the context of "worthless, throw it out". It wasn't until Lord Pantsfull started whining about it that I even considered any other meaning.

dpibel

(3,615 posts)
102. But your accusation isn't on that color wheel
Sun May 18, 2025, 08:59 PM
May 18

You're calling out hypocrisy that you imagine lesser mortals engage in.

That helpful chart doesn't include hypocrisy.

So it's actually not helpful, dictionary or no.

I bet you would claim that what you're after is "acknowledging biases."

But, if you think about it really hard, you will come to understand that it's two different things.

BannonsLiver

(19,395 posts)
106. The dictionary isn't the problem.
Sun May 18, 2025, 09:59 PM
May 18

It’s your unironic use of the term. Nice to cap off the weekend with a hearty laugh. Many thanks!

mackdaddy

(1,792 posts)
92. 86-46 would have been one of the least offensive things MAGA said or posted publically.
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:43 PM
May 18

I would not have seen it as a big deal.

That said, I actually love 86-47 and may use it as a tag line.

ismnotwasm

(42,652 posts)
99. You mean against Biden? Yes. I would be offended
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:54 PM
May 18

Trump can kiss my ass. He had no redeeming value.

lapucelle

(20,301 posts)
100. I only knew the term in the speakeasy sense and to generally mean "to get rid of".
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:54 PM
May 18

Chumley's NYC speakeasy fronted Barrow Street, but had a second entrance/exit door at 86 Bedford Street. They would take VIPS out that door when the cops raided the place, and they also used the door to eject unruly patrons.

If the owners were tipped off that there would be a raid, staff was directed to "86" the VIP customers.

Besides being haunted, there are many other reasons why Chumley’s stands out from similar establishments. First of all, it was the favorite watering hole for many literary giants, including Norman Mailer, William Faulkner, E.E. Cummings, Jack Kerouac, Anais Nin, John Steinbeck, and J.D. Salinger. Its walls were thus decorated with book jackets and autographed photographs of many famous writers.

The term “86-ed” is also said to originate from there. In the bar world, the phrase means that an item has become unavailable or to stop serving someone. The number, marked right over the bar’s door, was one of the first things seen by unruly patrons who had been thrown out of Chumley’s. “I’ve been 86-ed,” many would remorsefully conclude. The term caught on, and was soon being used by other restaurants, even the police. Before a raid, “they’d tell the bartender to ‘86’ his customers”, for instance.

https://nyghosts.com/chum/



Bettie

(18,568 posts)
104. They said worse
Sun May 18, 2025, 09:20 PM
May 18

and learned to ignore it.

If Democrats had been saying it, I'd have been angry, but bloviating idiots? They say all sorts of things. Remember, they were gleefully putting up images of Biden, Harris, and other Dems tied up on the backs of their stupid trucks.

It would have elicited an eyeroll, as those things usually did.

still-prayin4rain

(325 posts)
108. Never occurred to me this was alluding to violence or death
Sun May 18, 2025, 10:52 PM
May 18

I've had a tshirt with this on it since his first term and the thought that it was alluding to violence/death never crossed my mind until all of this ridiculousness. But I did wait tables for almost a decade in my teens and early 20s, so maybe that's why. 🤷🏼‍♀️

LudwigPastorius

(12,922 posts)
109. When the kitchen tells a waiter to "86" the roast chicken, it doesn't mean...
Sun May 18, 2025, 11:00 PM
May 18

take it out back to the alley and stab it in the giblets with a corkscrew.

So no, it doesn't offend me.

0rganism

(25,246 posts)
112. Meh. "8646" would have been pretty tame compared to much of the anti-Biden stuff I saw online
Sun May 18, 2025, 11:19 PM
May 18

Hell, I'm pretty sure I did see it in some YT comments back then and it was so unremarkable it didn't leave an impression.

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