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PurgedVoter

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Sat May 10, 2025, 11:01 AM May 10

The line between excaping a kidnapper and resisting arrest has been made invisible [View all]

ICE in unmarked cars, not showing ID, screams secret police. It also screams fascism. The mayor of Newark was grabbed. I hope the judge hits ICE hard for this, since they had no cause, no right and no emergency to justify their treatment of him. He cooperated, but if an unmarked car drives up and people without ID grab someone, a good guy with a gun might end up in trouble, or a police officer may pause and wait through a few calls before responding to a kidnapping. The entire chain of command in this case should be out of their jobs and prevented, by court order, to ever hold a job where guns are part of the equipment used.

We are in a situation where impersonating officials is going to be easy. When things are rushed, positive identification and even calls are not allowed, things will go south fast. When due process is ignored and vehicles are not marked, kidnapping becomes easy. How can you tell ICE from whatever paramilitary group that has decided they can do what they want and get away with it?

How can we tell an an unmarked car driven by unauthorized paramilitary thugs from an unmarked car driven by authorized paramilitary thugs? When you get grabbed off the street by people who refuse to identify, will the courts understand that your actions were not resisting arrest? Will you even get to see a lawyer or a court?

What happens when a good person with a gun decides to defend someone being abducted? Will they get to see a lawyer or a court? How many lies will be told by authorities? How badly will they publicly brand of the innocent victims of an ICE raid gone bad? We have a president who is in competition with Putin for lying propaganda and a cabinet filled with people trained by Fox News to spread lying propaganda. They speak from the hip and make up evidence later.

Anyone could be grabbed, how long before you are grabbed and labeled as a member of MS13?

What is the difference between a kidnapping and an ICE abduction? The kidnapped victim won't have the top officials of the country and every right wing outlet declaring them a monster.

For me the critical moment was the interview where Krasnov insisted an obviously altered photo was proof of MS13 membership. We have a lying president and his loyal stooges ignoring due process and unwilling to do the right thing.

I was a sweet summer child ten years ago. Back then I would have expected Republican officials to have an issue with this. Now I know that the scariest 10 words are, "I am a Republican and I represent you in government."

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Women are just supposed to go with some masked man who claims he's ICE even though he won't show ID? CrispyQ May 10 #1
Waiting for ICE to grab someone with professional bodyguards ... nt eppur_se_muova May 10 #2
Professional bodyguards denote power & privilege of their own Hekate May 10 #21
Well, they just arrested a mayor ... nt eppur_se_muova May 10 #23
And they stuffed him in their van and got away, having made their point Hekate May 10 #24
Has the mayor filed suit yet? SheltieLover May 10 #3
I feel very strongly about this as well DFW May 10 #4
They wear masks, too: A majority-Black town starts armed protection group after neo-Nazi rally cbabe May 10 #7
This is one of the serious practical concerns for people at this time. RandomNumbers May 10 #5
I may not be the strongest angrychair May 10 #6
This is all because Trump does NOT see the need for due process... dchill May 10 #8
Those neck gators need to be pulled down and then dox the hell out of these fascists. Lars39 May 10 #9
Also assaulting members of congress is a crime SSJVegeta May 10 #10
This happened during the Portland Riots DENVERPOPS May 10 #11
Over here at DU we were most certainly paying attention... Hekate May 10 #22
Isn't it already happening? YepYep May 10 #12
Exactly markodochartaigh May 10 #20
Trump may be immune but... lame54 May 10 #13
There's already a story of a man dressed as an ice age t raping a woman uponit7771 May 10 #14
We've seen this before. Marcuse May 10 #15
Considering that Prison are for profit and make inmates work for pennies this is accurate PurgedVoter May 10 #16
K&R 2naSalit May 10 #17
"Now markodochartaigh May 10 #18
There have been a couple of these raids that I suspect are false flag ops... Wounded Bear May 10 #19
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