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Kid Berwyn

(19,206 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 05:35 PM Thursday

"I think that's over." Gen. McCaffrey on NATO [View all]

THIS bothers me.





'I think that's over': Retired general declares death of key U.S. alliance

by Sarah K. Burris
MSN.com, February 19, 2025

Retired General Barry McCaffrey said he thinks that after 76 years, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, known as NATO, is "over."

Speaking on an MSNBC panel of foreign policy experts about President Donald Trump blaming Ukraine for Russia invading their border, McCaffrey lamented that he fears war is coming.

"Unfortunately, my own view is the damage is done," he said of Trump's failures in foreign policy. "It's now irrevocable. There's not a shred of rational argument among European powers to trust the United States' commitment to NATO and Article Five."

He remarked that NATO has served as "a deterrent organization" and "kept the peace for four generations."

"I think that's over," he confessed. "So, I think right now there's a scramble among all the European countries to include the Finns and the Swedes and others and who are borderline states, the Baltic states, Poland, etc., that they think they're under the gun."

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/i-think-that-s-over-retired-general-declares-death-of-key-u-s-alliance/ar-AA1zonJm



Dunno about the rest of the United States of America, but when a traitor installed by Vladimir Putin orders me to turn on my friends of 75-years in NATO, I don't dump my friends.

Fuck Turncoat Trump!
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How long until they vote to remove the United States from NATO? kentuck Thursday #1
This article (wondering about Turkey, in 2019) says there would have to be a material breach of the treaty muriel_volestrangler Thursday #4
"Palling around with dictators" is what $arah Palin accused Obama of doing. Projection. OMGWTF Thursday #9
She has had her day........ DENVERPOPS Yesterday #43
That General Idea Occurred To Me Today As Well DallasNE Yesterday #28
That would be disastrous DENVERPOPS Yesterday #44
US is the lynchpin of the Free World. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #30
I believe the General JustAnotherGen Thursday #2
Yep, scary when career Generals make statements like this. bluestarone Thursday #3
Ok, fucking religious right. Assholes all, no doubt about it. Magoo48 Thursday #10
Maybe because the TRUE generals were FIRED? bluestarone Thursday #11
Grassroots are gonna decide over the next four years if will remain free or not. Magoo48 Thursday #17
You have more faith in the average soldier understanding the nuances of orders from his/her CIC Arazi Thursday #19
Really does look that way, "The American Pantagruel" Kid Berwyn Yesterday #31
The SlobFather desperately wants to be a wartime president and have NoMoreRepugs Thursday #5
Trump saluted a North Korean General Kid Berwyn Yesterday #32
The world can't put up with a country that vacillates on a four year calendar. Hope22 Thursday #6
Recommend we hold the trials immediately after arrest. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #33
Those of us that worked on ending the Cold War are distressed ... aggiesal Thursday #7
Vielen dank fuer Alles. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #34
They must have been in horror, the 2nd time. n/t aggiesal Yesterday #35
Certain they are. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #39
Everyone hates us. Thanks to Shitler and Eloon we are now the "bad guys." OMGWTF Thursday #8
Thanks to half of this f.cking Country. Buddyzbuddy Thursday #12
Only took a few weeks too Evolve Dammit Thursday #24
They really crawled out of the woodwork. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #36
The Russo/German pact of 1939. Godot51 Thursday #13
Hitler always planned to attack USSR eventually FakeNoose Thursday #23
Really good questions. Wish I had the answers. Somebody does. Evolve Dammit Thursday #25
I'm going with a less insidious theory rpannier Yesterday #27
The parallels are striking. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #37
Yes Yes! There nothing more stabilization then have most of the world terrified of what-the-fuck. chouchou Thursday #14
The Resistance Helped Stop The Invincible Imbeciles in WW2 Kid Berwyn Yesterday #38
My Husband and I almost broke down in tears ourselves,, chouchou Yesterday #40
Macron once pitched the idea of an EU Army. Xolodno Thursday #15
I wouldn't mind if it crippled the . . . R. P. McMurphy Thursday #20
Trump orders history rewrite to make out Russia as the victim. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #41
Canada is committed to NATO, and will be now more than ever Martin Eden Thursday #16
Agree...NATO will survive without the US. Putin will not be successful going up against a United EU PortTack Thursday #21
Trump legacy in 4 words ... DoBW Thursday #18
An accurate epitaph of evil. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #46
Knr UTUSN Thursday #22
Reuters: US & Russia holding secret talks in Switzerland Kid Berwyn Yesterday #45
They'll wait for us to deal with Trump. NATO needs us. Martin68 Thursday #26
May have started. After calling for Ukraine surrender, Kellogg pulls 180... Kid Berwyn Yesterday #49
I guess we could say US foreign policy is currently incoherent, in flux, or just plain Martin68 Yesterday #54
US and Russia against the Western World. WWIII JohnnyRingo Yesterday #29
Might want to add China as in favor of being the third Imperial power here neohippie Yesterday #42
Perhaps a royal word. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #52
it could happen and it could be for the best. Marcuse Yesterday #47
NATO is a treaty, so it remains the law. AmericaUnderSiege Yesterday #48
The law explicitly says POTUS cannot do this alone. Why does nobody ever bring up the fact that we have laws? Bluetus Yesterday #50
the Legislature, the Judiciary, and the Executive stillcool Yesterday #51
But the media should be able to say it. And Dems should be able to say it? Bluetus Yesterday #55
the media is a lost cause stillcool Yesterday #56
I support NATO , so I am now actively rooting .... Bread and Circuses Yesterday #53
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