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pat_k

(10,786 posts)
117. Of course.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:56 AM
17 hrs ago

Last edited Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:35 AM - Edit history (1)

My "gut" (clueless as I am) said Medicare is more vulnerable that Social Security. Also based on no real knowledge, I think that many who voted for DT 1) have no actual idea what project 2025 is, and/or 2) took him at his word that it wasn't his playbook.

And on the "they're determined to usher in a fascist regime" front, few people were out there talking about the fact that J.D. Vance, Don Jr., Carlson, and Bannon all blurbed Posobiec's Unhuman's, the far right dystopian view of fascism saving the world. I don't think anything could be clearer than glorifying Pinochet and Franco, but there was pretty much not a word about it. Had there been, perhaps it wouldn't have gotten through, but who knows.

It is not my intent to argue that we aren't in for some horrific reversals of progress that has been hard won over my 65 years on the planet. Or that millions too many people voted against their own interests.

I'm not sure what I'm arguing. I guess the only thing I'm pushing back on is the notion that "they" are a monolith.

I could be out of my gourd, but, based on no real data that I can put my hands on, I think that at least 10% of the people who voted for Trump are reachable and that we need to figure out ways to reach them.

My general impression, garnered over the last 40 years, is that about a quarter of the nation is absolutely beyond reach and would be happy to return to our "roots" as a slave republic. I think there's another 10% or 15% that could conceivably be reachable, but I just have no idea how.

Anyway, I guess my point is that the "them" I am thinking when I consider how we might better connect is always the reachable 10% I believe are out there.

We began as a slave republic and in the 1960's when the democratic party chose to move toward racial reconciliation republicans could have joined us. Instead, they pursued the "Southern Strategy" putting the pursuit of power over principle. They laid first steps of this terrible path we are on.



There is zero chance any legacy media gets a nano second of my time. onecaliberal 23 hrs ago #1
Are people really that stupid? If so God help us. n/t totodeinhere 23 hrs ago #2
The answer is yes. Elessar Zappa 23 hrs ago #4
That's a interesting point about the average IQ. BlueKota 22 hrs ago #56
speaking as a teacher NJCher 21 hrs ago #85
Wow that's bad BlueKota 20 hrs ago #92
the super is heading it up but NJCher 20 hrs ago #93
average IQ of a liberal is 106, while the average IQ of a conservative is 95. Meadowoak 22 hrs ago #59
wow......you really didn't know??.... Nimble_Idea 23 hrs ago #15
nice insult!!!!!!!!!!! newdayneeded 12 hrs ago #139
This message was self-deleted by its author newdayneeded 12 hrs ago #140
All I know is that my IQ is higher than the average - 100 IQ is the average or mean. kerry-is-my-prez 23 hrs ago #29
You'd be wrong Fiendish Thingy 22 hrs ago #51
I do wonder how much is education or lack thereof white_wolf 22 hrs ago #52
There is, and always has been, a very strong strain of anti-intellectualism niyad 21 hrs ago #69
I am 127 BlueKota 21 hrs ago #86
Yes.They.Are. Sailingdiver 23 hrs ago #39
Belated happy 12th DUnniversary to you. niyad 21 hrs ago #68
Yes and yes. You need to understand that large segments of our Polly Hennessey 21 hrs ago #78
You don't have to be stupid not to know those words LeftInTX 21 hrs ago #88
***YES !!!*** When you're born on 1.5 base you don't have to be smart !! uponit7771 8 hrs ago #154
No, it's more about ignorance than stupidity. whathehell 8 hrs ago #155
I guess tRump knew what he was doing wearing ill-fitting marybourg 23 hrs ago #3
Oh, he knows his audience like nobody does. TwilightZone 23 hrs ago #21
That's what con-men excel at. marybourg 23 hrs ago #23
He actually uses the same methods as a cult leader. kerry-is-my-prez 23 hrs ago #41
Slight correction. It was a book of hitler's speeches, not "Mein Kampf". niyad 21 hrs ago #71
You bring up a point that I've often wondered about. Abolishinist 22 hrs ago #49
Remember George W. Bush and his appeal? kerry-is-my-prez 23 hrs ago #30
I think he really marybourg 23 hrs ago #38
"Democrats speak like college professors and lawyers, not like real people." J_William_Ryan 23 hrs ago #5
Good god Rebl2 23 hrs ago #6
That's the message I'm getting. TwilightZone 23 hrs ago #11
I don't think it's meant to be taken that way Sympthsical 14 hrs ago #125
or keep saying the same thing every 2 or 4 years. Nimble_Idea 23 hrs ago #19
No, just use simpler language Qutzupalotl 23 hrs ago #26
Clinton was a master at communicating with the voters. kerry-is-my-prez 22 hrs ago #44
Yes he was. We should talk like Clinton Qutzupalotl 22 hrs ago #48
Because he grew up with them in Arkansas Blue_Roses 17 hrs ago #122
"College professors and lawyers" are real people. Liberal In Texas 23 hrs ago #28
Thank you snowybirdie 13 hrs ago #132
You can't discern ANY space for simpler language TheKentuckian 22 hrs ago #50
Bravo! bovine6 21 hrs ago #82
love being told the educated are not REAL PEOPLE Skittles 21 hrs ago #80
They aren't the only real people. comradebillyboy 8 hrs ago #156
LOL Skittles 6 hrs ago #159
Kamala's campaign was geared to a junior high educational level. Irish_Dem 23 hrs ago #7
I got the same impression. TwilightZone 23 hrs ago #14
I am a PhD and it was not aimed at me. Irish_Dem 23 hrs ago #24
7th or 8th grade is pretty much the consensus. TwilightZone 23 hrs ago #33
The level dropped even lower I think in terms of entertainment. Irish_Dem 22 hrs ago #46
I have to wonder how much of that is long COVID, Qutzupalotl 22 hrs ago #53
I noticed it in the 80's. Irish_Dem 22 hrs ago #61
Thank you Clouds Passing 20 hrs ago #104
Using YouTube videos as tutorials is not an indicator of intelligence. orange jar 22 hrs ago #57
Yes it is an indicator of intellectual functioning changes. Irish_Dem 13 hrs ago #129
There was a comedian Chris Rock maybe BlueKota 21 hrs ago #70
People no longer appear to have common sense. Irish_Dem 13 hrs ago #130
It's definitely a different world now BlueKota 12 hrs ago #134
Yes and it will continue to change until the US is unrecognizable. Irish_Dem 11 hrs ago #145
There's using language that is geared toward that education level - Ms. Toad 21 hrs ago #76
It is difficult to talk to people who have experienced decades of propaganda and misinformation. Irish_Dem 14 hrs ago #127
That's what Bill and Obama did so well. radius777 8 hrs ago #152
Democrats speak like college professors and lawyers, not like real people. 2naSalit 23 hrs ago #8
"WTF is misogyny?" TwilightZone 23 hrs ago #9
you really do believe that most people can spell or define that word huh? Nimble_Idea 23 hrs ago #22
Yep, eye opening! newdayneeded 12 hrs ago #143
As a matter of curiosity, to which colleges and Ph.D. programs are you niyad 23 hrs ago #10
o wurd? Nimble_Idea 23 hrs ago #25
Maybe I'm stupid BOSSHOG 23 hrs ago #12
Trump said he "loves the poorly educated". We have livetohike 23 hrs ago #13
Blame the Democratic Party instead of the people who voted for Trump valleyrogue 23 hrs ago #16
reminds me of the advice for women to avoid rape Skittles 17 hrs ago #119
It is not Democrats job to ''fix'' them sammythecat 12 hrs ago #141
WE ALREADY DEAL WITH THEM Skittles 6 hrs ago #160
Aspirations for higher knowledge.... magicarpet 23 hrs ago #17
Several years ago I was gobsmacked to realize I was one of the hated "elites" ... Hekate 20 hrs ago #100
My dad bought me Encyclopidia Brintannica too proud patriot 20 hrs ago #105
OK, I give up. What is PITA? sammythecat 13 hrs ago #131
Pain In The Ass MichMan 12 hrs ago #135
Thanks n/t sammythecat 12 hrs ago #142
From an op ed in Seattle Times today pat_k 23 hrs ago #18
Could not agree more with the op-ed. orange jar 23 hrs ago #37
The humility to change mountain grammy 22 hrs ago #54
Maybe peachpit24 22 hrs ago #60
I didn't see anything there worth praising. Ferrets are Cool 22 hrs ago #67
Just looked at his bio. .conservative. And, "prigs and pontificators" niyad 21 hrs ago #77
Of course he is. He's a Republican for Harris. pat_k 21 hrs ago #90
As they, Rs, do a lousy job of listening to us as human beings with human concerns. Clouds Passing 19 hrs ago #107
Braver Angels workshops. I highly recommend. pat_k 19 hrs ago #110
once again Skittles 20 hrs ago #98
Nothing pat_k 19 hrs ago #108
when the GOP gets what they want Skittles 19 hrs ago #111
I sure hope the "bottom" isn't that low. pat_k 18 hrs ago #115
THEY LITERALLY SPELLED IT OUT IN PROJECT 2025 Skittles 18 hrs ago #116
Of course. pat_k 17 hrs ago #117
I'm not sure if they are reachable Skittles 17 hrs ago #118
You may be right. pat_k 17 hrs ago #121
why is it always US who has to amend their behavior Skittles 16 hrs ago #123
Because we want to find ways to move forward. pat_k 9 hrs ago #148
Spot on. dalton99a 12 hrs ago #137
That's an excellent observation. And to highlight your point, that very thing is what made Clinton... SKKY 23 hrs ago #20
We can't all have the accomplishments of Bill Clinton. He was, marybourg 23 hrs ago #36
The right wing owns all the microphones. hadEnuf 23 hrs ago #27
College professors and lawyers are people, too. Sparkly 23 hrs ago #31
They're already voting for Democrats. BannonsLiver 21 hrs ago #81
There lies the rub. He is right as are all the responses. cachukis 23 hrs ago #32
Nobody ever tells those dumbasses... Dem4life1234 23 hrs ago #34
Nor do they B.See 22 hrs ago #47
We are real people, thank you. In a moment of synchronicity though, our grandson ... Hekate 23 hrs ago #35
bless your heart Nimble_Idea 22 hrs ago #42
I love that. Sparkly 22 hrs ago #45
I had a high-school English teacher BlueKota 22 hrs ago #65
It used to take my teachers in junior and senior high a bit of time to niyad 21 hrs ago #75
Yes, I agree. Also..... pdxflyboy 23 hrs ago #40
I am a real person. Didn't realize I needed a CAPTCHA when speaking. Who knew? Solly Mack 22 hrs ago #43
I've noticed they like simple soloutions white_wolf 22 hrs ago #55
Yep. Dems need to dumb everything down to 1st grade level to match the CousinIT 22 hrs ago #58
Only if they want to win elections it seems. Fish700 22 hrs ago #62
***Raises hand tentatively **** Prairie Gates 22 hrs ago #63
So many seem to forget that VP Harris was dropped into an... brush 22 hrs ago #64
I don't see the OP as being critical of Harris. It's about messaging in general. live love laugh 20 hrs ago #91
Still, messaging over a two-year campaign vs a three month and a few days campaign... brush 19 hrs ago #109
I'm not dumbing myself down for some magat. Ferrets are Cool 22 hrs ago #66
I saw something about trump speaking at a 4th grade level ecstatic 21 hrs ago #72
HE SPEAKS ABSOLUTE GIBBERISH Skittles 19 hrs ago #112
Also: How did President Obama succeed? I don't think he dumbed things down ecstatic 21 hrs ago #73
If you don't know what cis gendered is choie 21 hrs ago #74
Which goes to his point.... dropouts are not going to look anything up. live love laugh 21 hrs ago #89
and we need to be like that to appeal to them? Skittles 15 hrs ago #124
I'm appalled at the state of de-education but it's "a thing." live love laugh 13 hrs ago #128
HELLO Skittles 21 hrs ago #79
EXACTLY!!! niyad 21 hrs ago #84
Second that Clouds Passing 11 hrs ago #144
No. Democrats speak like normal people with normal educations. The 'real' people you refer to are the ancianita 21 hrs ago #83
I get your point... oldsoldierfadingfast 21 hrs ago #87
Well that hit a nerve KentuckyWoman 20 hrs ago #94
I never thought I'd see the day where DUers defined what REAL PEOPLE are Skittles 20 hrs ago #96
No it is not too much KentuckyWoman 8 hrs ago #150
I've read that 54% of Americans read below a 6th grade level. NoMoreRepugs 20 hrs ago #95
We've got to remember... ECL213 20 hrs ago #97
I never get tired of this. Watching Gene Wilder's eye movements, just classic. Abolishinist 20 hrs ago #99
Best ever. I will love that scene forever. 💕💕💕 Just what I needed tonight. Hekate 20 hrs ago #101
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles 20 hrs ago #102
Interesting proud patriot 20 hrs ago #103
I don't think those shows are a fair comparison with Fox Lulu KC 19 hrs ago #106
Why all the pessimism? We lost a three month and a few days campaign vs a two-year one. brush 19 hrs ago #113
TV is geared for an 11 year old vocabulary lindysalsagal 19 hrs ago #114
Immigrants who voted for trump, said the like how he speaks frankly Demovictory9 17 hrs ago #120
I thought about "narcissist" vs. "egomaniac" GreenWave 14 hrs ago #126
Agreed 100% oldreliable_one 13 hrs ago #133
Trump ran on identity politics though. He ran on "revenge" against people who held *him* accountable ck4829 12 hrs ago #136
So Tim Walz didn't quite do it for you, right? Lulu KC 7 hrs ago #158
Counterpoint. Confusing words are not why we lost. What is "Woke"? What is "Communism"? What is "Transgender"? ck4829 12 hrs ago #138
Don't forget Critical Race Theory and DEI tulipsandroses 8 hrs ago #157
Ivy League Grads on Trump's Team. SupportSanity 10 hrs ago #146
maybe if we tried playing nice, reach across the isle once and awhile. maybe buy them lunch or something. Hotler 9 hrs ago #147
Great post! gulliver 9 hrs ago #149
Jimmy Kimmel SoCalDavidS 8 hrs ago #151
regarding "real people" Quiet Em 8 hrs ago #153
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