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-misanthroptimist

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7. In all my years of following (and sometimes laughing at) the polls...

Mon Sep 16, 2024, 09:40 AM

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...I have no memory of Atlas. So, I have no idea if they are "highly rated" or by whom they were given that rating, nor whatever methodology determined they should be "highly rated."

Summing up: If you have 15 polls that show one candidate leading and one showing the other candidate ahead, chances are very high that the one is wrong.

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What's up with this highly rated poll that puts Trump in the lead nationally? Updated with links in OP. [View all] Doodley Monday OP

Highly rated by whom? Fiendish Thingy Monday #1

538 give it nearly 3 out of 3. Doodley Monday #10

538 does what Peter Thiel tells it to do. gab13by13 Monday #18

You are mistaken - Silver was fired from 538 almost two years ago Fiendish Thingy Monday #22

And Silver is now plugging another book. DinahMoeHum Monday #61

Here's a link to 538 ratings. It is highly rated. Doodley Monday #24

Nate Silver hitched his wagon to the far right and Peter Thiel. Sky Jewels Monday #69

Nate silver is no longer associated with 538 DetroitLegalBeagle Monday #80

538 is operated by ABC News, which is owned by Disney. Abolishinist Monday #103

RIGHT WING NUTS according to google "libertarian, free-market, and conservative groups around the world"[ HagathaCrispy Monday #23

thank you for that research NoRethugFriends Monday #28

Thanks for the info Fiendish Thingy Monday #32

Ahhhh. Now the name makes sense. "Atlas" as in shrugged. Hassin Bin Sober Monday #52

Thank you for the information. Where can I find the connection between Atlas Network and AtlasIntel? Doodley Monday #57

Outlier Aviation Pro Monday #2

This poll was released a few days ago. Can you link to the "legacy" media stories "incessantly" pointing to it? onenote Monday #8

That alone should tell everyone about the company's reputation Wiz Imp Monday #62

Exactly, none of the media sources I watch/read have incessantly touted this poll. Silent Type Monday #81

Agreed it seems to be an outlier. Doodley Monday #59

It's easy to get a poll like that. Omnipresent Monday #3

Nate Silver said to resist temptation to unskew arlyellowdog Monday #4

I posted the poll here as it was on X as I thought that would be easiest way to communicate it. Here is a link if you Doodley Monday #12

I mean the poll was taken on X. arlyellowdog Monday #15

Try deleting it. Other posters have shown it's a winger-manipulated and funded poll. brush Monday #55

I would need to see evidence that it is R/W manipulated. I would love to see evidence that this poll is garbage so it Doodley Monday #58

You have been given that evidence Fiendish Thingy Monday #79

This poll is of likely voters. That changes the sample. I'm not going to say I know better than Doodley Monday #84

Nate Silver literally has his paycheck signed by Peter Thiel obamanut2012 Monday #35

ABC has Harris up by 6 Abnredleg Monday #5

This poll doesn't even make the Top 20 on 538's pollster ratings. marmar Monday #6

It is 22 and that is highly rated at nearly 3 out of 3 stars. Doodley Monday #13

You really seem to want to accept this poll without questioning it. Nt Fiendish Thingy Monday #26

Wrong! I asked what's up with the poll! Doodley Monday #30

Some numbers are up, other numbers are down Torchlight Monday #40

And when others criticize the poll, you defend it. Fiendish Thingy Monday #41

What evidence? Doodley Monday #42

None so blind as those who will not see Fiendish Thingy Monday #53

I accept 538 is probably better than I am at rating polls. Where is the evidence the pollster is libertarian? Doodley Monday #63

Their libertarian mission statement was posted in this thread. Fiendish Thingy Monday #72

That was for Atlas Network. Where is the connection between Atlas Network and AtlasIntel? I never quoted Nate Silver! Doodley Monday #83

Apologies- someone else referenced Silver, not you Fiendish Thingy Monday #97

No probs. Easy to mistake who posts what. My conclusion is that this poll is an outlier and probably BS. . Doodley Monday #111

Yup obamanut2012 Monday #36

In all my years of following (and sometimes laughing at) the polls... -misanthroptimist Monday #7

We don't have 15 polls vs 1. Doodley Monday #16

Nate Silver is owned by Peter Thiel. gab13by13 Monday #21

Silver is a corrupt hack, and shouldn't be quoted as evidence of anything Fiendish Thingy Monday #27

It isn't a Nate Silver poll! What has Nate Silver got to do with it? Doodley Monday #34

Yup, it is a non-American pollster obamanut2012 Monday #38

Good points! Thanks! Doodley Monday #43

highly rated? Atlas poll? never heard of them. nt Javaman Monday #9

check here. Number 22 on 538. That is highly rated. Doodley Monday #19

I notice you asked "what's up" but you're not listening to answers. yardwork Monday #25

I'm waiting for an answer. What is up with that poll? Where is an answer? Attacking X or Nate Silver, questioning if Doodley Monday #29

You've received numerous answers. yardwork Monday #37

Where did I claim Nate Silver likes it? Why are you attacking me? It is highly rated, nearly 3 out of 3 on 538. Doodley Monday #45

Perhaps you need to clarify what you mean by "What's Up?" Fiendish Thingy Monday #74

I love the Sea Lions! Abolishinist Monday #108

I guess by calling it "highly rated".... Think. Again. Monday #11

Yep. Kingofalldems Monday #14

Exactly obamanut2012 Monday #39

That is just a stupid comment. (Note, I'm not saying YOU are stupid.) But... LAS14 Monday #50

Perhaps you're unaware... Think. Again. Monday #56

In the absence of clear evidence of hostile intent, why worry about the motivation of the poster? LAS14 Monday #88

Because I am not basing my response on evidence... Think. Again. Monday #91

Your opinion, to assume hostility in the absence of evidence... LAS14 Monday #93

If the large tent doesn't welcome opinions... Think. Again. Monday #94

I see the beginnings of a vicious circle here. (Vicious cycle? I was never sure.) nt LAS14 Monday #98

Yeah, they get kinda tiring. Think. Again. Monday #99

The demographics are totally skewed. C_U_L8R Monday #17

All I know is that we need to keep swinging that hammer. Midnight Writer Monday #20

Apart from anything else, as ever with polls, especially when comparing them for changes, LOOK AT THE MARGIN OF ERROR Emrys Monday #31

4 Non Blondes is What's up bronxiteforever Monday #33

What does this mean? nt LAS14 Monday #49

You can ignore the "highly rated" by 538, Nate Silver lees1975 Monday #44

Nate Silver has nothing to do with 538 since last year. Doodley Monday #47

Doesn't make any difference, Atlas is still a corporate owned, commercial marketing poll that leans lees1975 Monday #100

What's Up With Posting Polls Instead of GOTV Efforts and Links Aepps22 Monday #46

Doodley, thanks for hanging in there, trying to force... LAS14 Monday #48

That means a lot, thank you! You describe exactly how I feel! I will remember your name! Doodley Monday #68

:-) LAS14 Monday #89

I'm popping in to defend you, too. femmedem Monday #90

Thank you. I appreciate that! I will remember your name too and watch out for you on the DU highway! Doodley Monday #92

Likewise, I'd like to know what's up with this poll. LAS14 Monday #51

I lived most my life in the UK. To be credible, polsters must join the British Polling Council and abide by certain Doodley Monday #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Abolishinist Monday #105

Thanks you for this and your other posts. Abolishinist Monday #106

Thanks! nt LAS14 Monday #110

Do not shoot the messenger Doodley kansasobama Monday #54

Thank you for saying so. Yes, this poll looks wrong when you look at those scores on several issues. Doodley Monday #65

They have a track record of right wing bias Wiz Imp Monday #60

I agree that the poll about the debate is well out and unlikely IMO. Makes me think this poll is garbage, Doodley Monday #64

I'll agree that you can't completely disregard any individual poll no matter how outrageous their results Wiz Imp Monday #70

Thank you. I agree and appreciate your comment! Doodley Monday #73

I totally believe half+ of the country wants this criminal super whiner. Brainfodder Monday #66

Why did you post a question ibegurpard Monday #71

I haven't seen evidence that this poll is Libertarian, or that Nate Silver has anything to do with it. Doodley Monday #78

It's a total outlier Johnny2X2X Monday #75

Should we give up? Kingofalldems Monday #76

Silver is now a wholly owned subsidiary of Peter Thiel LearnedHand Monday #77

It isn't a Nate Silver poll. Doodley Monday #82

Not really a good try. Kingofalldems Monday #85

It's basically the only national poll that shows Trump ahead VMA131Marine Monday #86

Very perceptive answer! Thank you! Doodley Monday #87

The margin of error is 4%, and the result is well within that iemanja Monday #95

Actually, the margin of error is 2%. Abolishinist Monday #107

Am I looking at a different poll? iemanja Monday #109

We asked Atlas why they are so far out from other polls ... dawg Monday #96

Two Points Locutusofborg Monday #101

It's probably part of the Trump Polling Company conglomerate. Vinca Monday #102

International, self-selecting demographics, online poll with no published methodology obamanut2012 Monday #104

And what's up with this NEW poll? Kingofalldems Monday #112

That is not a legitimate poll/pollster obamanut2012 Monday #113