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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Tell me again why Biden has to reach out to Sanders voters? [View all]Gothmog
(154,214 posts)122. Bernie Sanders is out. And the insincere praise begins.
Link to tweet
Democrats, aided by the mainstream media, are now putting out two rather disingenuous storylines. First, No one ever changed the party as much as Sanders. Second, Now begins the struggle to win over the Bernie Bros. It is understandable that some Democrats eager to avoid a schism similar to that which occurred in 2016 are falling over themselves to assuage Sanderss ego, but lets not get carried away.
The Bernie changed the party line suggests that the party did not overwhelmingly choose a center-left successor to President Barack Obama. But it did! And it has rallied around someone who rejected Medicare-for-all, a wealth tax, left-wing isolationism and the entire capitalism is evil stance. Sanders got beaten badly week after week, never changing his message. That message simply did not register with more than about 30 percent of the party. Twitter does not represent the party. The party did not shift far left, as many in the media predicted (egged on by the loudest voices on the left). If anything, Bidens wins show that the heart of the party rests with moderate African Americans to whom all Americans are indebted for lifting a viable, electable nominee to oust President Trump. Sanderss movement is far smaller than he would have liked us to believe.
As for winning over his followers, consider a recent poll showing that about 15 percent of Sanderss supporters intend to vote for Trump if Biden is the nominee. It is hard to fathom the mindset of someone who would prefer an unfit narcissist who opposes virtually every principle and value Democrats hold dear to Obamas vice president. It is of a piece with those who preferred Jill Stein in 2016. There is no reaching such people. Soliciting them is a waste of time.
The rest of the Sanders coalition should not need much courting. Theyve already signaled they will line up behind Biden and have expressed their determination to oust Trump. Other than not gratuitously attacking them, no great effort should be required to keep them in the fold. (Ironically, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) has been far more successful in advancing progressive policy ideas with Biden, including her plans on student debt forgiveness and bankruptcy.)
The Bernie changed the party line suggests that the party did not overwhelmingly choose a center-left successor to President Barack Obama. But it did! And it has rallied around someone who rejected Medicare-for-all, a wealth tax, left-wing isolationism and the entire capitalism is evil stance. Sanders got beaten badly week after week, never changing his message. That message simply did not register with more than about 30 percent of the party. Twitter does not represent the party. The party did not shift far left, as many in the media predicted (egged on by the loudest voices on the left). If anything, Bidens wins show that the heart of the party rests with moderate African Americans to whom all Americans are indebted for lifting a viable, electable nominee to oust President Trump. Sanderss movement is far smaller than he would have liked us to believe.
As for winning over his followers, consider a recent poll showing that about 15 percent of Sanderss supporters intend to vote for Trump if Biden is the nominee. It is hard to fathom the mindset of someone who would prefer an unfit narcissist who opposes virtually every principle and value Democrats hold dear to Obamas vice president. It is of a piece with those who preferred Jill Stein in 2016. There is no reaching such people. Soliciting them is a waste of time.
The rest of the Sanders coalition should not need much courting. Theyve already signaled they will line up behind Biden and have expressed their determination to oust Trump. Other than not gratuitously attacking them, no great effort should be required to keep them in the fold. (Ironically, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) has been far more successful in advancing progressive policy ideas with Biden, including her plans on student debt forgiveness and bankruptcy.)
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Exactly..it seems everyone else's supporters followed their candidates lead -
asiliveandbreathe
Mar 2020
#25
Anyone who right now is considering voting for Trump or staying at home if they can't have Bernie
StarfishSaver
Mar 2020
#85
Shaming and blaming others for our losses just shows weakness. If Biden is our candidate then
jalan48
Mar 2020
#56
u said quote: do you like losing? well that's what bernie is doing these days nt
msongs
Mar 2020
#59
You need to compare the date of the OP and the post dates with the debate schedule.
jalan48
Apr 2020
#116
Hey-Biden needs Bernie's supporters to vote for him. What do you think would be an effective
jalan48
Mar 2020
#73
It is what it is. Either we pull together or we don't. Blaming Sanders and his supporters is
jalan48
Mar 2020
#79
Joe would be horrified by that. He would NOT want us to shut out Bernie supporters!
hedda_foil
Mar 2020
#89
Nothing will endear these people to vote for Biden, if Trump doesn't already do it. Nothing.
LizBeth
Mar 2020
#81
Sanders clearly feels no need to reach out to anyone who doesn't just agree with him on everything.
ehrnst
Apr 2020
#117
The exact numbers are in dispute given the difficulty in determining something such as this...
W_HAMILTON
Mar 2020
#28
Just as 40% of Hillary voters in June 2008 said they would not support Obama.
thesquanderer
Mar 2020
#38
The percentage was much higher than 12%. The 12% number is for BS to Trump voters specifically.
lapucelle
Mar 2020
#50
Even if that 19% figure is representative, 81% of his supporters will vote for Biden.
pampango
Mar 2020
#15
It is the role of the 1st place finisher to reach out to supporters of the 2nd place finisher,
thesquanderer
Mar 2020
#39
Like Carville said last night.."the Democratic voters during the primary
asiliveandbreathe
Mar 2020
#16
Even after giving sanders everything he wanted in platform look at what happened last time
Gothmog
Mar 2020
#22
Exit poll showed 16% of Hillary supporters who voted in November 2008 voted for McCain
thesquanderer
Mar 2020
#68
And Cornell West, one of the people Bernie appointed to shape that platform
Docreed2003
Mar 2020
#80
So I read "81% of Sanders voters say the WILL (or probably WILL) vote for the Dem nominee".
CincyDem
Mar 2020
#29
The tweet you quote in the op IS the answer to the question you posed. n/t
thesquanderer
Mar 2020
#36
Because Biden is a mature, responsible, compassionate leader who understands...
TygrBright
Mar 2020
#53
I'm a Biden supporter, but he had the great fortune to be running against a very weak field
Midwestern Democrat
Mar 2020
#94
We don't need to alienate them. But we don't need to pander to them, either.
Vivienne235729
Mar 2020
#92
The sanders supporters who voted for trump in 2016 were racists non-democrats who hated Obama
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#97
Then He Or She Might As Well Be Up On A Soap-Box In Bughouse Square, Sir
The Magistrate
Apr 2020
#121
Why did Bernie Sanders drop out? The progressive majority he needed doesn't exist
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#135