Democratic Primaries

Aquaria

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139. Reality that has been demonstrated, already.

Wed Apr 8, 2020, 12:47 PM

Apr 2020

And has proven how full of shit BS and his berntrash are when it comes to anything related to reality.

Why don’t you ask the backbencher from Vermont how his state’s bid for single-payer played out? In a state that could have easily made it happen, since it has such a small population.

Because it was an epic fail, in case you didn’t notice.

Employers didn’t want their taxes going up by a quarter, and taxpayers didn’t want up to 9.5 increases in their state taxes to pay for it.

But you keep living in la-la land where it’s easy to make all that happen on a population 52800% larger than Vermont’s.

At least I have a real world example of an attempt at a real single payer attempt in the US to cite, while you have, hm—only speculation.

So who is full of horseshit now?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sanders just said he'll stay on the ballot, continue gaining delegates to give him as much leverage [View all] highplainsdem Apr 2020 OP

Jesus. dhol82 Apr 2020 #1

Oh, FFS. What leverage? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #2

"Establishment Democrats" must surrender or else. oasis Apr 2020 #14

The DNC needs to kick his butt off these ballots. I'm so tired of their ineptitude when it comes to onetexan Apr 2020 #24

The States control their ballots. MineralMan Apr 2020 #29

Thanks, i figured ballots are already printed so it cant be undone now onetexan Apr 2020 #38

I wish wryter2000 Apr 2020 #142

BS has already done harm either way. We can't control factions from starting up parties. They can do onetexan Apr 2020 #157

True, but the DNC can revoke his priveldge of being the nominee LongtimeAZDem Apr 2020 #76

That will happen as a matter of course on the first ballot MineralMan Apr 2020 #81

I truly believe that it will be far too late by then, after four more months of "Biden is a rapist" LongtimeAZDem Apr 2020 #92

We will have none of that here, though. MineralMan Apr 2020 #105

If he is staying on the ballot to gain delegates, the primary isn't over :( LongtimeAZDem Apr 2020 #107

But it is over. Senator Sanders' delegate count will not grow MineralMan Apr 2020 #111

I appreciate what you are saying. I will refrain from dragging the conversation down further LongtimeAZDem Apr 2020 #124

Yep! LiberalFighter Apr 2020 #83

So did Oklahoma. Beartracks Apr 2020 #113

Mineral Man is right. LiberalFighter Apr 2020 #78

Leverage to apply in order to build a more progressive platform, of course. Magoo48 Apr 2020 #58

He has no leverage any more, and Biden's positions are, in fact, prgressive. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #62

Joe is a gracious statesman; he is not a progressive. Magoo48 Apr 2020 #69

Please define "progressive." The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #71

Liz, Tammy, Bernie, Pocan, Grijalva... Magoo48 Apr 2020 #115

That's not a definition, it's a list. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #118

They support universal healthcare, ending theforever wars, Magoo48 Apr 2020 #125

So does Biden. All Democrats support universal healthcare, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #127

Right Magoo48 Apr 2020 #133

Interesting discussion. K&R to bump this up! onetexan Apr 2020 #128

He wouldn't throw women and minorities Aquaria Apr 2020 #80

Yet, the un and under insured left in the lurch, Magoo48 Apr 2020 #98

They would have been left further Aquaria Apr 2020 #112

Speculation and horseshit Magoo48 Apr 2020 #122

Reality that has been demonstrated, already. Aquaria Apr 2020 #139

Joe is a progressive so just top with the hits please...he is now our nominee. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #87

Yup, he's blue and I'm voting for him. Magoo48 Apr 2020 #120

Sanders nor his supporters gets to decided who is progressive. uponit7771 Apr 2020 #166

No, they do not. Correct. Magoo48 Apr 2020 #170

The platform is as or more liberal Aquaria Apr 2020 #77

Exactly.. he's only Cha Apr 2020 #160

Well, don't most candidates stay on ballots anyways? Claustrum Apr 2020 #3

He's talking about the convention ballot. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #20

Exactly FloridaBlues Apr 2020 #27

Let Sanders withhold his delegates. LiberalFighter Apr 2020 #89

Exactly. Bernie is just grandstanding. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #91

Withhold away. Aquaria Apr 2020 #101

Elizabeth Warren was still on the Washington ballot on March 10th. LisaM Apr 2020 #61

Same for me with Kamala Harris in CA n/t wryter2000 Apr 2020 #147

The states decide that. Aquaria Apr 2020 #86

He truly is a selfish man violasays Apr 2020 #4

Knock it off. Support Democrats. ancianita Apr 2020 #21

Bernie's not a Democrat StarfishSaver Apr 2020 #39

i think in the context of this discussion, he is jorgevlorgan Apr 2020 #42

There is no context in which Bernie Sanders is a Democrat StarfishSaver Apr 2020 #51

Tell that to your party. It's a stale, played out argument around here. Get with the unity. ancianita Apr 2020 #44

MY party? StarfishSaver Apr 2020 #49

Fine. OUR party. Okay now? ancianita Apr 2020 #53

A little late for that StarfishSaver Apr 2020 #100

I don't wear a slip, but hey, believe what you want. ancianita Apr 2020 #134

YOUR party? It's OUR party. lapucelle Apr 2020 #52

And The Illusion Lives On Me. Apr 2020 #54

Not on my part. "OUR" is meant in different ways. The reality is now that OUR party includes ancianita Apr 2020 #59

If The Primaries Are Over Doesn't He Become An Independent Again? Me. Apr 2020 #64

Do I have to post his video where he states that he will not become independent or form a 3rd party? ancianita Apr 2020 #70

Given HIs History Why Would I Believe Him? Me. Apr 2020 #99

That there may be many Democrats we ask why we should believe, doesn't mean we don't ancianita Apr 2020 #110

Will Support Dems Me. Apr 2020 #158

He's already an Independent. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #103

"your party" TwilightZone Apr 2020 #93

Whoops StarfishSaver Apr 2020 #102

Not sure why you feel it's necessary to order people around? And Cha Apr 2020 #167

THIS Aquaria Apr 2020 #88

Who do you think you're speaking to? violasays Apr 2020 #65

Call him what you want.The fact that Bernie has withdrawn shows that you're being extremely critical ancianita Apr 2020 #79

It's not calling him what we want Aquaria Apr 2020 #119

You presume to speak for "we" now? Okay, then. ancianita Apr 2020 #123

And you're presuming to speak for us. Aquaria Apr 2020 #132

Believe what you want. Presume what you want. ancianita Apr 2020 #136

I leave presumption to your ilk Aquaria Apr 2020 #140

My ilk support Democrats. Take it or leave it. ancianita Apr 2020 #149

You speak for me, Aquaria.. Mahalo! Cha Apr 2020 #165

Still take the time to vote. Safely. LiberalFighter Apr 2020 #116

Welcome to DU wryter2000 Apr 2020 #148

Support the nominee...as for Sanders...sad to see him go out this way...the worst speech I ever Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #94

I hear you. ancianita Apr 2020 #96

It is over. We can't care about what he does or doesn't do or his supporters. We should attempt to Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #104

He whammed us, now he is bamming us and we won't get a thank you ma'am after. GemDigger Apr 2020 #5

Aww. Fuck. ismnotwasm Apr 2020 #6

Thanks for nothing, Bernie. n/t zackymilly Apr 2020 #7

Not me but us.. Peacetrain Apr 2020 #8

If Sanders has his way sure....but he won't this time. He can't help us this time in the states Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #19

How exactly does he plan to exert this "leverage"?? honest.abe Apr 2020 #9

If you listened, you'd know. He plans to exert his delegate leverage toward party platform writing. ancianita Apr 2020 #25

The fault that we have SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE. Maru Kitteh Apr 2020 #36

He, in fact, influenced the party platform last time. That's "this movie" we've seen before. ancianita Apr 2020 #48

Bullshit. Aquaria Apr 2020 #143

Not so. ancianita Apr 2020 #154

Yeah, I get that part.. honest.abe Apr 2020 #60

"I fear." That cannot be the basis of your promoting party unity. We can't afford disunity, either. ancianita Apr 2020 #68

If Bernie really cared about defeating Trump in Nov.. honest.abe Apr 2020 #75

Joe will make it clear that he supports Bernie and vice versa. ancianita Apr 2020 #138

Joe will do his best to unify the party. honest.abe Apr 2020 #144

Focus On The Platform Is Absurd, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #63

You, Sir, indulge in strawman arguments against members of your own party. Pity. ancianita Apr 2020 #74

Please Continue To Chant The Names Of Logical Fallacies At Me, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #85

I leave the chanting of fantasy labels to you, Sir. The amusement is all mine. ancianita Apr 2020 #95

If You Say So, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #108

It is to laugh for a BSer to accuse others Aquaria Apr 2020 #145

What delegate leverage? LiberalFighter Apr 2020 #90

Then he and anyone who thinks this Aquaria Apr 2020 #130

I don't think he'll get nearly what he gathered in 2016. RandySF Apr 2020 #10

I don't either. He didn't before he was suspended. octoberlib Apr 2020 #16

There is really no reason to give him and his supporters anything of the extras Blue_true Apr 2020 #33

Oh you mean when he brought cornel west on The Platform and Cha Apr 2020 #169

So he isn't really suspending. ucrdem Apr 2020 #11

Stop seeing what is not there. No. He's not suspending. He's WITHDRAWING. ancianita Apr 2020 #26

He used the term suspension and in the middle of a pandemic, he urged his voters to continue Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #97

I tend to agree, but saw his urging his voters to use their right to stick with their primary goals. ancianita Apr 2020 #106

I agree but is is right to do this with a pandemic in full force where people risk their lives doing Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #151

Fine. He may suspend. He wants his supporters to engage. It won't hurt us or Biden. ancianita Apr 2020 #121

I am glad he is out at least he did that but I am not upset about his accrual of delegates which I Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #150

My question is whether it's the party, Bernie or states that determine whether primaries continue or ancianita Apr 2020 #159

He's suspending, not withdrawing. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #109

Fine. If you don't draw a distinction; if he said that word, then I won't bother ancianita Apr 2020 #114

Look, I've given up on the guy completely. ucrdem Apr 2020 #164

What was the point of suspending the campaign then? Walleye Apr 2020 #12

Seriously? Here it is: to say that Joe Biden won the primary and is the Party's presumptive nominee ancianita Apr 2020 #28

That's good, but it was a pretty weak statement Walleye Apr 2020 #35

No one's perfect. ancianita Apr 2020 #152

Ok, so true. I'll go along with that. Walleye Apr 2020 #153

That's been my theme throughout this thread. ancianita Apr 2020 #155

If a candidate "suspends" their campaign they get to keep the money they raised The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #41

That's utterly irrelevant and will have the reverse effect DarthDem Apr 2020 #13

No endorsement...continue the fight ...accrue delegates- asking kids to risk their lives for him so Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #15

A true Democrat would work to unite the party aeromanKC Apr 2020 #17

What leverage? He lost. He wants to shape the party platform for people who don't vote, octoberlib Apr 2020 #18

The party platform has always been aspirational. That's to draw people to GOTV. Not a bad thing. ancianita Apr 2020 #30

"I will work with Biden, but I still want my supporters to vote for me and against Biden" dalton99a Apr 2020 #22

I'm okay with that.... Happy Hoosier Apr 2020 #23

Surrender Establishment Democrats Dorothy. betsuni Apr 2020 #31

I think Marcus jumped the gun - DURHAM D Apr 2020 #32

Primary is indeed over...he suspended said he had no path...time to begin the general...when does Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #131

The Man Lives Down To The Lowest Expectations Yet Again, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #34

Voters know what to do. Really they do. MineralMan Apr 2020 #37

Dammit! SheltieLover Apr 2020 #40

great news!! jorgevlorgan Apr 2020 #43

This Kind of Behavior Is Why Bernie Will Never Expand His Support Among Dems Indykatie Apr 2020 #45

Leverage Is Another Word For Blackmail Me. Apr 2020 #55

Exactly.. ain't gonna work. Cha Apr 2020 #161

You Are, As Always, Correct Me. Apr 2020 #162

lol... not always.. Cha Apr 2020 #163

THIS !!! Sanders numbers among the party base was abysmal uponit7771 Apr 2020 #168

That's nothing new. If your name is already on the ballot, it's stay there even if u drop out. Kaleva Apr 2020 #46

The man's ego knows no bounds. MoonRiver Apr 2020 #47

This maneuver will not work for Bernie mcar Apr 2020 #50

50 replies/comments so far - ZERO from the Bernie supporters?? NoMoreRepugs Apr 2020 #56

So he can do what he did in 2016, great causing more division. redstatebluegirl Apr 2020 #57

Offer him HHS Coleman Apr 2020 #66

Biden would have to be crazy to put that man in his administration, anywhere. tritsofme Apr 2020 #146

Not no Aquaria Apr 2020 #156

Of course. Kahuna Apr 2020 #67

Well, the party platform and a buck seventy-five frazzled Apr 2020 #72

Good n/t Devil Child Apr 2020 #73

What an absolutely shitty thing to do. Lars39 Apr 2020 #82

And the bros will carry on... The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #84

He is not a Democrat and has zero say in the platform of a party Piratedog Apr 2020 #117

What an ass. So his "suspension of the campaign" was an attention mongering lie. Squinch Apr 2020 #126

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Apr 2020 #135

This message was self-deleted by its author njhoneybadger Apr 2020 #129

If he wants leverage all he needs is a 2 x 4. MrsCoffee Apr 2020 #137

He is despicable. I will be disappointed if he gets a prime time speaking slot at the convention. tritsofme Apr 2020 #141