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wellst0nev0ter

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69. I've seen this argument way too many times

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 01:27 PM

Apr 2020

Trump is already in charge of Obamacare, Medicare and Medicaid. Is that an argument against enacting any of those programs?

No.

So enough of the malarkey.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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How's that workplace health insurance working out now? [View all] wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Apr 2020 #1

+1000 No candidate should get away with advocating workplace insurance rainin Apr 2020 #2

I don't want to hear anyone with medicare talk about how it's not an option... Locrian Apr 2020 #3

That's like asking, "How's that lack of a cure for cancer working out now?" MFA is, currently, Squinch Apr 2020 #4

Bidens plan is also "unpassable" wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #6

Wrong. Educate yourself. W_HAMILTON Apr 2020 #14

That was the same thing with same sex marriage wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #20

I am sure that Medicare for All will come up during potential healthcare reform discussions. W_HAMILTON Apr 2020 #23

How's that insulting President Obama working out for you? Cha Apr 2020 #109

re: "It has no chance of passing as things are now, even if Dems win the presidency and Senate." thesquanderer Apr 2020 #26

They will. W_HAMILTON Apr 2020 #28

I agree, it's unlikely, But that's different from saying "no chance." n/t thesquanderer Apr 2020 #30

Lol. Yes, I understand that this is what you would like to believe. And I also Squinch Apr 2020 #16

Not helpful! Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #48

Um, yeah, it did pass. Aquaria Apr 2020 #86

It Is a Sound Point, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #5

How would the public option work wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #8

ACA coverage does not require that you have a job. Public option is a way to enhance ACA. n/t thesquanderer Apr 2020 #19

So the jobless has to wait for Medicaid? wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #22

What does Medicaid have to do with it? thesquanderer Apr 2020 #29

Apparently you missed wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #32

I'm talking about public option. That has nothing to do with medicaid. thesquanderer Apr 2020 #36

It's difficult to take you seriously TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #66

Hokay, let's unpack this, step by single step wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #67

Guess what? TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #74

Ah, so people do fall through the cracks under the system wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #75

How you are going to pay for it is pragmatic and it is not a Republican talking point. TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #77

We've explained it countless times wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #80

Medicare for All is not going to occur. TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #89

Post removed Post removed Apr 2020 #94

It might work. Don't need the distraction torch juggling though. The thing is though... brush Apr 2020 #104

That was awesome! pattyloutwo Apr 2020 #107

re: "If you are jobless, you have no money to spend on health insurance." thesquanderer Apr 2020 #91

Cobra? wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #92

I'm not endorsing COBRA, but there are people who have used it. Obviously, since ACA passed... thesquanderer Apr 2020 #98

Do You Imagine Medicare Is Free, Sir? The Magistrate Apr 2020 #25

Here's how it will be paid wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #81

Some People, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #87

Other people wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #88

Doesn't Matter, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #97

See highways, bridges, schools, police and fire departments. Hermit-The-Prog Apr 2020 #113

Unions and their fought for health insurance hangaleft Apr 2020 #7

The Culinary Workers Union wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #10

Really? DEbluedude Apr 2020 #18

Not everyone is a "worker" hangaleft Apr 2020 #39

I agree wholeheartededly. But until something of that nature happens... DEbluedude Apr 2020 #95

Public Option is a choice, MFA is cramming it down people's throats. Within 5 years of a PO, most Hoyt Apr 2020 #9

Public option doesn't work if you're jobless wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #11

That statement is just absurd. Squinch Apr 2020 #21

Seems most of them absurd! Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #49

Do you know what the term "subsidies" means, not to mention expanded Medicaid? Hoyt Apr 2020 #27

Yes, more bandaid provisions wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #33

Do you understand, "Within 5 years of a PO, most people will have selected the PO . . . . ." Hoyt Apr 2020 #35

What you are pushing is Rube Goldberg malarkey wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #45

Fine, go your way, and we'll be sitting here 10, 15 years from now arguing the same stuff, with Hoyt Apr 2020 #46

Ouch! Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #50

FYI, I supported Elizabeth Warren wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #71

Not sure about paid for itself. But, it was pretty much MFA, however she framed it. Hoyt Apr 2020 #99

Public option has nothing to do with employment status. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #96

A public option has the broad support of Democrats and can be passed through reconciliation... W_HAMILTON Apr 2020 #12

So the lesson here is wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #13

Stop with the bad Russian troll farm-like memes. W_HAMILTON Apr 2020 #15

Doesn't have any..that work Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #51

What is doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different outcome? ehrnst Apr 2020 #114

So your argument is that the public option won't get Sloumeau Apr 2020 #17

Apparently Democrats are too rightwing for M4A wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #24

Imagine what a dotard would be doing right now with a total government run health care Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #52

"Imagine what the dotard will be doing with Medicare now that he runs it" wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #68

People "loved" the part of their pay the health insurance represents, almost never the medical brewens Apr 2020 #31

It has been repeatedly demonstrated wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #34

The health care tax may be way lower than their current premiums, but employers pay most brewens Apr 2020 #37

Nobody ever seems to ask "how do other countries pay for healthcare?" Fiendish Thingy Apr 2020 #41

Sweden weighed in on a sanders style plan said it all but bankrupt the country Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #55

I think it is more useful to get info on successful universal healthcare systems Fiendish Thingy Apr 2020 #62

Partnership for America's Health Care Future wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #79

That is nonsense...no one will get a raise...and the taxes for individuals will be higher...you Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #112

Perhaps if Covid 19 bankrupts the health insurance industry (unless the taxpayers are forced to jalan48 Apr 2020 #38

Good editorial pattyloutwo Apr 2020 #40

I don't get the reasons for this rant. beastie boy Apr 2020 #42

Oh the voice of sanity!! Thank you Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #56

M4A would have a better chance of passing wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #72

You just illustrated why M4A has a snowflake's chance in hell of passing. beastie boy Apr 2020 #84

A successful President will show flexibility in his thinking in response to events. On the other... NNadir Apr 2020 #43

+1000 emmaverybo Apr 2020 #57

I'm hitting a paywall. Can we get the article w/o subscribing to the WP? CTyankee Apr 2020 #44

Open in private window wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #70

Well, I'll try but I'm not technie at all... CTyankee Apr 2020 #78

This sounds like the discussions had in lifeboats after the Titanic sunk. tirebiter Apr 2020 #47

those who lost jobs are eligible for ACA AlexSFCA Apr 2020 #53

Yup. This is the moment to zentrum Apr 2020 #54

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2020 #58

Germany has "taken the profit out of the health care business?" thucythucy Apr 2020 #82

The nation would have to overwhelmingly support it - and we would need the Senate. ehrnst Apr 2020 #100

Do you want Trump in charge of 100% of our health care? relayerbob Apr 2020 #59

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Apr 2020 #61

I think the idea is to get rid of Trump and put a Democrat in charge of health care. n/t totodeinhere Apr 2020 #64

And then when the next Trump, Raygun or Dubya comes along relayerbob Apr 2020 #65

I've seen this argument way too many times wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #69

How would that M4A that would never be enacted be working out? gulliver Apr 2020 #60

Actually it's a mixed bag. Some workplace insurance policies continue to cover employees who have totodeinhere Apr 2020 #63

Are we talking about John Dingell Sr's "Medicare for All", or John Dingell Jr's "Medicare for All".. George II Apr 2020 #73

Because this is what is happening under ACA wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #76

As has been pointed out numerous times before thucythucy Apr 2020 #83

Apparently Sander's plan would be better than the current Medicare wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #90

"Apparently"? thucythucy Apr 2020 #110

Ours is working fine. Aquaria Apr 2020 #85

But the goops will pass Biden's plan wellst0nev0ter Apr 2020 #93

Not rocket science. We have to win the WH and the Senate, plus keep the House. brush Apr 2020 #101

Really? We're going to get into another pissing contest over this? peggysue2 Apr 2020 #102

A medical emergency pattyloutwo Apr 2020 #108

A public option would fix this too. Happy Hoosier Apr 2020 #103

Universal Healthcare is the goal. ismnotwasm Apr 2020 #105

Incredibly BETTER than the defunded, then repealed MfA. Hortensis Apr 2020 #106

It is highly unethical to use a once in a lifetime world-wide crisis DenverJared Apr 2020 #111