Democratic Primaries

BidenBacker

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75. My cyberfriend, Mag

Wed Apr 1, 2020, 09:18 AM

Apr 2020

It was a "stump speech" reply because it is not my place to provide solutions to Bernie's proposals. My post was asking Bernie to provide us with his revenue sources because HE is the one who had made M4A the main theme of his campaign. Perhaps the reason many of us still don't know is because BS knows we may not like an honest answer. This is either dishonest or reckless and it bothers more people than just me...

Bernie Sanders is starting to get slammed on how he would finance Medicare for All

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/bernie-sanders-slammed-how-finance-pay-medicare-for-all-healthcare-2020-1-1028860817

Asked directly about its cost, Sanders declined to provide an estimate, saying, "Nobody knows. This is impossible to predict."

Excuse me, BS??? If that isn't a Trumpian answer I don't know what is. Apparently this pressure got to him enough to actually start releasing some real numbers last month...

Bernie Sanders just unveiled how he'll pay for his biggest plans, from Medicare for All to erasing student debt

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/bernie-sanders-unveils-plan-pay-medicare-for-all-student-debt-2020-2-1028936679

The numbers don't even come close to adding up. BS himself has admitted his M4A would cost at least $30 trillion with other estimates putting it closer to almost $50 trillion. Not bothered by where he will make up tens of trillions in shortfall he just goes merrily on his way and promises even more...

The Vermont senator also said in the document that making universities and public colleges tuition-free for students would cost $2.2 trillion over 10 years. And it would be covered by a 0.1% tax on Wall Street stocks and bonds to raise $2.4 trillion in that same period. Sanders also pledged to raise $16.3 trillion to fund the Green New Deal and combat climate change, relying on new taxes imposed on the fossil fuel industry and cuts to defense spending.

Ol' Bern needs to stop whining about how "sick and tired he is of millionaires and billionaires" and start looking for some trillionaires to help pay for all his promises. Sorry, Mag...I don't like bullshitters and I don't care for armwavers any more. Neither of them are the kinds of people who get stuff done.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie Sanders Says Medicare for All Would Provide "Quality Care" During Pandemic [View all] Uncle Joe Mar 2020 OP

Even the magical health care for all Watchfoxheadexplodes Mar 2020 #1

Which is why Bernie just spoke about the personal costs associated with it ON TOP AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #5

So why does Bernie even mention "quality care", if M4A does not address it? beastie boy Mar 2020 #16

Well, I have a personal take on it, but I would have to look for his precise meaning. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #25

A universal healthcare system doesn't place value on stockpiling either. beastie boy Mar 2020 #54

Bernie should DownriverDem Mar 2020 #24

This plague customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #51

He's been in Washington for almost 30 years, what has he done to enact his "m4a"? It takes.... George II Mar 2020 #41

I can't believe that Sanders and his surrogates and his supporters are politicizing this... George II Mar 2020 #43

Well, I don't think he's suggesting that we could snap fingers, AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #44

So, since you brought up H1N1 elsewhere here (that was 11 years ago), what has he DONE.... George II Mar 2020 #47

I don't think he's been particularly effective on this point. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #53

Let's see, in Washington since 1991 and "he's had recent success just building support".... George II Mar 2020 #55

My enthusiasm for his effectiveness is a low point. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #57

The Voters Rejected BS and his agenda who Spent 4x More Cha Mar 2020 #65

Just setting aside the strains on our current dysfunctional system for a moment. Uncle Joe Mar 2020 #6

You touched all the bases: George II Mar 2020 #42

And you completely avoided the keystone of the issue: AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #46

I don't deal in buzzwords and catch phrases. None of these things Sanders is talking about.... George II Mar 2020 #48

Awesome. So that means you CAN address this. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #50

Italy..think Italy with universal health care. Imagine M4a with dotard in charge..no thank you! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #58

Actually, polling shows that people want the option of private insurance. ehrnst Apr 2020 #94

That is still a failure to contain the disease, initially. tirebiter Apr 2020 #81

That Last Is Good Point, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #82

Italy and Spain have Medicare for All Promisep Mar 2020 #2

Preventing the disaster is a public policy issue. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #9

So if we had that "system" we could have avoided all of this? BTW, the US wasn't overwhelmed... George II Mar 2020 #45

I think you misunderstood me. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #49

They just move the goalposts when confronted with reality HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #26

This Has Been Another Episode Of Lame Comments From No One In Particular, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #3

Would we have had more tests/hospital beds/ventilators/masks/gloves, and trained medical personnel? Freethinker65 Mar 2020 #4

There are serious pain points coming with this, that Italy isn't going to experience. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #13

Ok. So we agree the "quality care" is misleading? Survivors not going bankrupt is another issue. Freethinker65 Mar 2020 #23

I think there are assumptions made about quality of care for 'socialized' medicine that AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #31

How would it provide more PPE, more ventilators, more tests, more hospital beds? frazzled Mar 2020 #7

That is... the point? Right? AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #14

The point is, it wouldn't frazzled Mar 2020 #18

It's pretty relevant to people who have lost their jobs, and simultaneously, their health insurance. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #27

See Post #15 frazzled Mar 2020 #30

Post 15 is great and raises some good issues, but does not address what I just pointed out to you. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #35

Except Trump would be in charge relayerbob Mar 2020 #8

Trump is in charge now and people still get their social benefits Uncle Joe Mar 2020 #12

Not watching the news much, I take it relayerbob Mar 2020 #19

They're probably not covering that on RT HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #29

... Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #69

For how long? sheshe2 Mar 2020 #62

Food stamps have been cut to hundreds of thousands of people, CHIP has been slashed.... George II Mar 2020 #68

Is that the battle we are fighting today? gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #10

Shame voters didn't believe he could pull it off. Hoyt Mar 2020 #11

Correct me if I am wrong, but there is nothing in M4A that addresses beastie boy Mar 2020 #15

This. ucrdem Mar 2020 #22

Ideally, we might not then need 2tn in support to the economy. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #37

It can influence SOME aspects of this. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #34

That's not what Bernie said. beastie boy Mar 2020 #52

If people skip certain forms of treatment to save personal cost, or refuse to go to the Dr AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #56

What Bernie said is not debatable. beastie boy Mar 2020 #61

I don't like defending weasel words but AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #63

His statements completely ignore the MineralMan Mar 2020 #17

And if this dream is ever going to come to pass lees1975 Mar 2020 #20

The obvious point is the anything Sanders has to say about anything is... TreasonousBastard Mar 2020 #21

And yet people are dying like flies in countries that have a form of MFA. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #28

What an absurd, libertarian-league argument. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #36

This! All of this! AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #38

Would it though? Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #32

Look. ismnotwasm Mar 2020 #33

In fairness, and almost as large of a policy issue, Bernie would like to do something about that AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #40

No it can't, it doesn't exist. Where does he get those numbers..... George II Mar 2020 #39

This is at least the 10th thread about this. Same arguments, nothing solved Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #59

Even Sanders doesn't put forward any answers, all he does is criticize and say "we have to _______" George II Mar 2020 #66

It's a different issue treestar Mar 2020 #60

Bernie is irrelevant now. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #64

I am just so tired of sanders saying he's the ONLY one that has pushed for universal health care Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #67

Reality Check BidenBacker Mar 2020 #70

This Is A Necessary Discussion, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #71

Perhaps BidenBacker Mar 2020 #72

That, My Friend, Is A Purely 'Stump Speech' Reply The Magistrate Mar 2020 #74

My cyberfriend, Mag BidenBacker Apr 2020 #75

I Am Defending Nothing, Sir, Of Any Specific Program Sanders May Have Offered The Magistrate Apr 2020 #79

You know what I would like to see, Mag? BidenBacker Apr 2020 #85

I Am Inclined To Agree, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #86

Reminds me of an old saying BidenBacker Apr 2020 #87

Bernie Sanders SAYS a lot of things. In turn he DOES very little. I'm sick to death of this... NNadir Mar 2020 #73

Doesn't he have a real job to do? nt doc03 Apr 2020 #76

Bullshitter gonna Bullshit. PubliusEnigma Apr 2020 #77

This is a classic example of Bernie at work BidenBacker Apr 2020 #78

Just As matter Of Principle, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #80

In Bernie's case BidenBacker Apr 2020 #88

Utopians Do Not Count, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #89

M4ALL and Other Programs Do NOT Provide Any Care Indykatie Apr 2020 #83

True, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #84

I'm sure glad Bernie wasn't in charge of NASA back in the early 60s BidenBacker Apr 2020 #90

That Was Some Fun Footage, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #91

Sometimes I think I was born 20 years too late BidenBacker Apr 2020 #92

Tell that to Italy. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2020 #93