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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
13. I'm embarrassed too.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 02:49 PM
Mar 2020

I'm embarrassed that some don't see the dangerous precedent this is setting. For the first time in our country's history, we're establishing parameters on when it's okay to delay an election.

Ohio is the worst of the lot because they're doing it at literally the last hour and this might be the best time to actually hold an election as things are going to get considerably worse between now and the potential Democratic Convention.

Here's a reality that you haven't mentioned:

Because we've established this idea that postponing an election is perfectly reasonable, what happens if, in June, we're worse overall than we are today? What if in June, we're seeing mandatory quarantines because things have progressively gotten worse? In Italy, mail delivery has been suspended - you can't send or receive mail. That could even impact mail-in ballots.

We've already set the precedent that an election is expendable. That has been established with these moves. That is not up for debate anymore.

So, let's assume for this argument that things aren't better in June. Maybe they're worse. Everything has pretty much shut down. Now these postponed primaries are canceled.

The DNC has a tough choice on its hands. Their convention may be in a month, which likely means, in this scenario, it's not going to happen live - they'll probably have to do a virtual convention. But now there's a big problem: no candidate has a majority of delegates. No candidate has anywhere near a majority of delegates. Here's a more problematic issue: after today, and counting Ohio, there's still HALF the primary process left to play out. Now imagine not being able to cast any votes for those primaries. Again, we've already established it's perfectly reasonable to postpone an election. That's the precedent set with these moves.

July rolls around with Biden at 1,200 delegates and Bernie at 900 delegates. That puts Biden well short of the majority of delegates. And that also means there's over 1,600+ delegates potentially left on the board due to no primaries.

How do you propose the Democrats choose their nominee in that scenario?

Ideally, it'd be Biden because Biden is the delegate leader. But Bernie's argument absolutely will be that nearly half the primary voters, and more delegates than either have won, never cast their vote. What incentive does he have to drop out and support Biden? Do you not see how that scenario could potentially plant the seeds of discord if the party turned around, and in an emergency session, changed the rules to divvy up the outstanding delegates based on, I guess, popular vote at the time?

It'd be a nightmare. Bernie supporters would cry that the establishment picked Biden without anywhere near a majority of the vote.

And they'd have a compelling case since those states technically didn't vote. Sure, we could assume, based on polls, that Biden would have won big - but that's assumption and the assumption a week before South Carolina was that Biden would be trounced on Super Tuesday.

That is exactly what Trump wants. He wants the Democrats to have as much disunity as possible coming out of their convention and the best way for that to happen is to not have a primary process.

With Ohio deferring its election until later, it raises the probability that this scenario becomes more possible. Is it likely? I do not know. The concern is that coming out of Super Tuesday, I doubt ANYONE would have expected this. Two or three weeks from now? It might be way worse than it already is and we're looking at no election between now and November.

That's not going to help the Democratic Party.

However, had Ohio held its elections today, and let their people vote (they're concerned - but not concerned enough to close the grocery stores or factories), it could have offered Bernie the knockout I think we needed to avoid that scenario above.

But now I'm not so sure. Maybe Bernie getting killed in Florida, Arizona and Illinois does just that - but if it doesn't? If he stays in? We're going to be picking a nominee, I'm afraid, without half the party voting. And that's a recipe for disaster in November.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
except for bernie's ego we could just cancel the rest of the presidential primaries (not down ballot msongs Mar 2020 #1
Most states voting at this point have other elections on the ballot democrattotheend Mar 2020 #12
Thank you ibegurpard Mar 2020 #17
This is incorrect. djg21 Mar 2020 #57
Mike is right. True Blue American Mar 2020 #2
He scheduled in person voting for June...thus he could postpone it again...this is partisan hackery, Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #24
From what I am hearing they are going to do mail in. True Blue American Mar 2020 #45
They have in person voting scheduled in June...so I will vote by mail also...but that is a pain too. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #58
Called this morning. He said True Blue American Mar 2020 #61
I tend to agree but Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #3
+10000 Pachamama Mar 2020 #6
Several other states True Blue American Mar 2020 #46
Is it? Pachamama Mar 2020 #4
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #5
Could simply be the side-effects of ebola... LanternWaste Mar 2020 #7
As I understand it the primary process is a party function. ucrdem Mar 2020 #8
The lastc currently scheduled primary (Kentucky) is June 23. There's no real problem waiting a few PoliticAverse Mar 2020 #10
But there's no real need to either. ucrdem Mar 2020 #11
We've already established an election is expendable. Drunken Irishman Mar 2020 #15
Exactly. ucrdem Mar 2020 #16
Ky. Postponed True Blue American Mar 2020 #47
No Bernie would not agree. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #23
My heart goes out to his supporters. ucrdem Mar 2020 #27
It's almost like some people think this public health crisis is a hoax. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2020 #9
No. More like some people remember Tweedy Mar 2020 #34
Those guys are long gone. True Blue American Mar 2020 #62
The election shutdown nonetheless Tweedy Mar 2020 #65
I'm embarrassed too. Drunken Irishman Mar 2020 #13
You should post this as an OP. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #18
I absolutely agree with you. Music Man Mar 2020 #19
Paranoid lunacy, my ass Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #36
The Republican Party has a long history of disenfranchisement. Music Man Mar 2020 #43
the D Day invasion is cancelled due to virus nt msongs Mar 2020 #14
Actually the D-Day invasion was postponed due to bad weather. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2020 #20
Bingo! True Blue American Mar 2020 #48
No, it is a dry run for the general...when they do it on a national scale. Fuck all Republicans. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #21
It won't be better in a month, and why give trump an idea for Nov. brush Mar 2020 #22
Mail-In/Absentee Ballots... BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #25
I agree. Music Man Mar 2020 #28
Yes! BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #30
Democratic Senators True Blue American Mar 2020 #49
Can that be mandated federally? BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #53
They said most states True Blue American Mar 2020 #54
That is tremendous! BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #55
You are welcome! True Blue American Mar 2020 #56
Democrats are working on a bill True Blue American Mar 2020 #63
Regarding Ohio, aren't factories still open? DonaldsRump Mar 2020 #26
look at it this way - what if half the states NEVER get to hold a primary before the convention date getagrip_already Mar 2020 #29
Those concerned Governors might consider mail in ballots for registered voters who haven't voted still_one Mar 2020 #31
There was a segment on MSNBC last night ecstatic Mar 2020 #67
Well... it is today's GOP in Ohio Tweedy Mar 2020 #32
Unfortunately people will believe insane bullshit (nt) Recursion Mar 2020 #33
The Cons and some Bernie supporters are using this situation to attack the DNC dustyscamp Mar 2020 #35
5 primaries postponed to date BidenBacker Mar 2020 #37
Kentucky and Louisiana have Democratic governors. Music Man Mar 2020 #38
Thanks BidenBacker Mar 2020 #39
On another note, Beshear is killing it as governor in KY. Music Man Mar 2020 #40
That's good to hear BidenBacker Mar 2020 #41
Eh, not so sure about McGrath. Music Man Mar 2020 #42
Will do, amigo BidenBacker Mar 2020 #44
Beshear is correcting what Bevin True Blue American Mar 2020 #52
Thank you. True Blue American Mar 2020 #51
No, Ky. Postponed. True Blue American Mar 2020 #50
It gives the "scorched earthers" more time to kneecap Biden.. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #60
Not Inclined To Give DeWine Benefit Of Doubt, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #59
Sherrod Brown did. True Blue American Mar 2020 #64
He Is A Good Fellow, Sir, I Like Him A Lot The Magistrate Mar 2020 #68
I do not like DeWine True Blue American Mar 2020 #69
To be honest, I think there is coordination with trump ecstatic Mar 2020 #66
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