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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
21. Swing voters do not like aggressive women who point fingers while debating
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 04:26 PM
Mar 2020

I saw that so many times while hosting debate watching parties. The OP is correct that body language and demeanor are a huge part of this.

As soon as I saw Klobuchar's style during the Kavanuagh hearing I recognized it immediately as exactly the type of thing that swing voters respond positively to, in such contrast to a style like Kamala Harris'. I posted those themes on this site repeatedly. It's just too bad Amy started from such low name recognition and hype compared to Kamala.

I have no idea how Stacey Abrams' name repeatedly comes up in articles like that. I'm sorry but I trust my instincts and I view her as a lightweight. There was nothing in that 2018 governors race that gave me any confidence toward how she would perform on a national stage. We don't need a cheerleader toward the base. We need someone who blends perfectly with the nominee and the nation matter of factly accepts as presidential material. That is not going to happen with Stacey Abrams. There is already a post in this thread insisting Abrams is not ready to be president. That is clarity toward how it would play out. Anyone who denies how Abrams would fare is the same type in denial toward how extreme liberals would fare in national races.

Biden/Abrams would stand out as an awkward patch. In contrast there was a fantastic post here the other day regarding the "total alignment" of Klobuchar with Biden. I wish I had remembered to bookmark it. Maybe the author will repost.

Besides, Abrams had a slightly underwater 48-49 favorable rating in that Georgia race. Imagine how that is going to hold up once the GOP unleashes on her. There seems to be some bizarre impression that Abrams was universally liked. Beto in a more conservative state and mini-presidential type race emerged with a 52-42 positive favorable number.

Kamala Harris is perfect for attorney general. But we've got to get there first. She is unquestionably ready to be president. But I worry how her aggressive finger pointing style would play out during a campaign and also a debate. Mike Pence is going to sit there politely and have plenty of calm simple arguments that swing voters respond favorably to. That would be anything but a rout. Don't allow ideological bias to overwhelm situational realities.

Let's worry about people who actually vote and not twinkle around in some fantasyland about magical turnout. Articulate likable moderates help our cause among people who actually vote. Hillary was not rejected as too centrist. For whatever unfair reason she was not considered likable after that 24 year onslaught.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
I was leaning towards Amy before she dropprd out. bluescribbler Mar 2020 #1
We do not need two moderates on the ticket, especially two white moderates. LonePirate Mar 2020 #2
That is not what he wants. squirecam Mar 2020 #4
Evidently what he wants and what the party needs are two different things. LonePirate Mar 2020 #6
The party will vote for Joe. squirecam Mar 2020 #7
We won twice with two moderates on the ticket treestar Mar 2020 #10
The more moderates IluvPitties Mar 2020 #50
I like her a lot but not on a ticket with Joe. He needs a woman of color, IMHO. pnwmom Mar 2020 #3
You pick the best person for the job. squirecam Mar 2020 #5
And there's no black females suitable for the job? Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #8
Don't put words into my mouth. squirecam Mar 2020 #9
Harris is an excellent choice who-- on a ticket with Joe-- would excite voters all over the country. pnwmom Mar 2020 #13
I disagree squirecam Mar 2020 #15
I know LOTS of moderate suburban women in the midwest, pnwmom Mar 2020 #29
I agree that we need more ethnic diversity on our presidential/vice-presidential tickets. StevieM Mar 2020 #81
Wrong. People of color are the backbone of our party and need to see themselves pnwmom Mar 2020 #11
Joe will have a diverse administration. squirecam Mar 2020 #12
Not the same. nt pnwmom Mar 2020 #14
Luckily you will vote for him anyway. squirecam Mar 2020 #16
Joe already has their votes. Mme. Defarge Mar 2020 #22
Enthusiasm matters. If he wants numbers of black voters like Obama had, pnwmom Mar 2020 #28
They want trump gone. squirecam Mar 2020 #31
Moderate suburban women HATE Trump. They'll turn out. n/t pnwmom Mar 2020 #38
Not as much as AA voters do. squirecam Mar 2020 #39
Moderate suburban women love Biden. We don't need the female version of Biden pnwmom Mar 2020 #41
It is absurd to suggest that women love Biden more than AA voters. squirecam Mar 2020 #48
Moderate suburban women are the ones I'm referring to -- not all women. Most of the women pnwmom Mar 2020 #60
Why is choosing the best person not enough for you? squirecam Mar 2020 #61
Because I don't think being from Minnesota makes her the best person nt pnwmom Mar 2020 #62
That is one thing. squirecam Mar 2020 #63
It should be a woman of color and there are a number of them who are very qualified pnwmom Mar 2020 #64
I believe Klobuchar is the most qualified. I hate that the pundits are DEMANDING... Kahuna7 Mar 2020 #17
A woman VP of any color is historic. squirecam Mar 2020 #18
Indeed. nt Kahuna7 Mar 2020 #19
I'd go with that. Kingofalldems Mar 2020 #20
Swing voters do not like aggressive women who point fingers while debating Awsi Dooger Mar 2020 #21
All of this. squirecam Mar 2020 #23
Biden is already appealing to moderate women Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #26
Biden already brings the AA vote. squirecam Mar 2020 #32
So did Clinton but not in the numbers needed Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #68
But he hasn't announced a VP choice. If he chooses someone spooky3 Mar 2020 #34
Experience doesn't matter in electoral politics. Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #42
Trump's election was clearly an aberration, and sentient spooky3 Mar 2020 #47
Right squirecam Mar 2020 #51
Exactly nt spooky3 Mar 2020 #53
Hopefully Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #69
That's why I would argue that relevant political experience spooky3 Mar 2020 #75
Experience is irrelevant Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #77
OK, I already explained that, so I'll stop here. nt spooky3 Mar 2020 #78
Buh bye Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #79
Who is Brown? Sugarcoated Mar 2020 #72
Sherrod Brown squirecam Mar 2020 #74
Of course... Sugarcoated Mar 2020 #84
1) Biden already has the AA vote, and Mme. Defarge Mar 2020 #24
While you make some good points Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #33
Look at her chart. squirecam Mar 2020 #36
Yes and there is already a moderate/centerist on the ticket Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #40
Yes squirecam Mar 2020 #43
No she doesn't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #44
You keep talking about progressive voters. squirecam Mar 2020 #45
AOC is too young Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #66
Virginia is going to go Dem again this year. Check out spooky3 Mar 2020 #49
Great Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #65
You make excellent points Sugarcoated Mar 2020 #73
Great choice unless you want to win the Electoral College Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #25
Biden has given his requirements. squirecam Mar 2020 #30
Minnesota is not a swing state Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #37
They are already energized. squirecam Mar 2020 #46
Or, why should women be ruled out on the basis of skin color? Nt spooky3 Mar 2020 #52
Not ruling any woman out based on skin color. squirecam Mar 2020 #54
No, I know you aren't; the poster to whom you replied spooky3 Mar 2020 #58
Right. Apologies. squirecam Mar 2020 #59
no apologies are needed; I was unclear. nt spooky3 Mar 2020 #76
I'm basing on Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #67
Me too. squirecam Mar 2020 #70
No seat to get Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #71
Meh. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #27
I don't like her! nt USALiberal Mar 2020 #35
You don't have to. squirecam Mar 2020 #55
Of course I will, but Harris a much better pick! nt USALiberal Mar 2020 #56
She is much better for AG. squirecam Mar 2020 #57
so harris can do the work DonCoquixote Mar 2020 #80
Harris is better as AG squirecam Mar 2020 #83
by telling the black women who vote for us DonCoquixote Mar 2020 #85
Neither do I. StevieM Mar 2020 #82
Same thinking that gave us Tim Kaine 👎🏽 denem Mar 2020 #86
Yup It is Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #87
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