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Amimnoch

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109. "We only want to protect our women, what does it matter if we hate transgenders or not?"
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:41 AM
Jun 2016

1. She was wrong. Has admitted to it. So was the majority of Dem Senators. So was the vast majority of the country.
2. It matters because it frames the whole background of the event. It also exposes the hypocracy where there was almost no mention at all about John Kerry's vote in 2004, or John Edwards vote in his run in 2008. Two other POTUS candidates, who made the same wrong vote, who also made very imposing speeches before the Senate supporting that war, yet so much silence on their vote. Hmmm, I wonder.. What could be so different about those 2 candidates and Hillary? Very curious.
3. "Zero empathy" is a ridiculous assertion on your part, but that's your opinion and you're absolutely entitled to it. Of course I'm entitled to mine that yours is ridiculous.
4. With absolutely no snark intended, much respect to your consistancy in not supporting Kerry or Edwards. I am left with the lingering and original question though.. You've been very vocal (well at least in writing) about your disdain for Hillary, and the Iraq war vote has been one of your 2 biggest issues that I've read about.

Fair enough.

You've been a member since 2005. Perhaps you can drudge up even a single post you've made in all those years decrying the other 2 "yes" votes that have run for president? Just one? Surely if this is your conerstone issue of opposition, your passion and dedication to this cause can drum up a single post decrying Kerry for his vote, or Edwards during the 2008 campaign season for his?

At least that would make you one of the few truly consistent people on this issue.

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THE HARD CHOICE [View all] rhett o rick Jun 2016 OP
Because you can't accept her admission about being wrong, doesn't diminish the fact that she said it tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
Best case is she was wrong. That means she has terrible judgement. That's her best case. Scuba Jun 2016 #2
That means she has terrible judgement. That's her best case. AlbertCat Jun 2016 #13
Then so do all the other Senators on the list treestar Jun 2016 #64
Agreed. Scuba Jun 2016 #66
People over 55 remember lies fbc Jun 2016 #5
It wasn't all of us. cannabis_flower Jun 2016 #27
I'm over 55 too and didn't fall for the lies. I've always voted dem. mudstump Jun 2016 #35
I'm 74 and remember millions of people marching worldwide WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2016 #52
And I was one of the marchers! ReRe Jun 2016 #70
And our Senators and Congressmen now enjoy a nine% approval rating. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #73
Me too. On all counts. Except for Dennis. But only because Dennis was already eliminated before the Enthusiast Jun 2016 #71
before Reagan, college was free in Cali. thanks for endorsing Reagan. ish of the hammer Jun 2016 #10
The world has changed since then jmowreader Jun 2016 #46
yes, you are right, the rich are getting even more rich, the MIC commands even more of our ish of the hammer Jun 2016 #62
Massive plus one! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #76
AND the jobs for the future are getting more expensive to train people to do jmowreader Jun 2016 #86
no, you need to lower or eliminate education costs, you need single payer health larkrake Jun 2016 #89
I'd be happy with "as good as". which we do not have, ish of the hammer Jun 2016 #97
What does that mean, jmowreader? ReRe Jun 2016 #72
I'm 73. Tuition was low and health care insurance was mostly non-profit and thus cheaper when I was JDPriestly Jun 2016 #11
+1000 denvine Jun 2016 #20
+ 1001 nt abelenkpe Jun 2016 #33
We have lost so much, so sad. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2016 #53
And the military actions have only enriched the few already wealthy while destabilizing Enthusiast Jun 2016 #78
+1,002 ReRe Jun 2016 #54
Anything other than laissez-faire dog-eat-dog unfettered capitalism klook Jun 2016 #57
Right on! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #79
+1 a whole bunch. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #77
She didnt sound sincere in the least larkrake Jun 2016 #23
That is one of my biggest problems with her Scalded Nun Jun 2016 #37
Of course it's not a risk to follow Bernie's policies WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2016 #74
You pretty much nailed it. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #80
That is one of the things that has always seemed apparent to me, but japple Jun 2016 #100
Where the hell are you guys coming from? April 2016 and 800+ posts? Phlem Jun 2016 #41
Well said! bearssoapbox Jun 2016 #51
Hear, hear, hear, hear and Hear!!!! eom ReRe Jun 2016 #68
Huge +1! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #82
Thank you Phlem larkrake Jun 2016 #88
You haven't heard anything from the GOP about Bernie being a pnwmom Jun 2016 #91
That's only part of it. murielm99 Jun 2016 #104
The world NEVER faced "communism everyday" basselope Jun 2016 #47
she "thought" she acted in good faith tk2kewl Jun 2016 #58
work for it like the rest of us.... ciaobaby Jun 2016 #81
""I thought I had' acted' in good faith'' Ichingcarpenter Jun 2016 #3
Everyone acts in good faith... OnyxCollie Jun 2016 #59
Fucking sickening. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #84
I doubt if the conservative Democrats would even read what you posted. Their life is simple, rhett o rick Jun 2016 #101
Perfect! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #83
Excellent post MissDeeds Jun 2016 #4
Well, fuck me. Hillary paid her dues, working for the party... Debbie, Nancy and all the loyal party Hoppy Jun 2016 #6
She paid her dues? WTF? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #17
yes, to join THAT club, you have to sell your soul larkrake Jun 2016 #25
Obama quote - 2008, "You're likable enough, Hillary." Hoppy Jun 2016 #75
always the gentleman, that Obama larkrake Jun 2016 #87
Many people who do not like Hillary also paid their dues. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #56
I think he was being sarcastic. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #106
Hat tip libodem Jun 2016 #7
She still doesn't explain her "hard" choices. She just flicks them away. marble falls Jun 2016 #8
She says she made a mistake, but what was the mistake? Putting corp profits before rhett o rick Jun 2016 #15
Or putting her time in to run for the inevitable run for the Oval? marble falls Jun 2016 #18
"mistake" = not haveing to accept responsiblilty Phlem Jun 2016 #43
Great post. KPN Jun 2016 #9
Hard Choices zalinda Jun 2016 #12
Her decisions are not personal, they are just business. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #16
HRC's Iraqi war vote Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2016 #14
But it's not just the "Iraqi war vote" Ferd Berfel Jun 2016 #22
there's a backstory to it that explains even her speech MisterP Jun 2016 #19
Hooo-kay. MH1 Jun 2016 #21
Now THERE'S an idea (your hint)! maddiemom Jun 2016 #24
I want whatever your taking. Ah to just always vote Democrat and not at all be bothered by rhett o rick Jun 2016 #30
+1 Spot on. Phlem Jun 2016 #44
When was the last time you saw a Republican presidential candidate MH1 Jun 2016 #113
First of all we are still in the Primary. Second, I wonder if you've ever gotten rhett o rick Jun 2016 #114
No lmbradford Jun 2016 #112
knr nt retrowire Jun 2016 #26
I only just discovered this group. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #28
Thanks. I hope this Group is a place where Progressive can discuss issues with rhett o rick Jun 2016 #108
Like Skinner said, get it outta your system.....nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #29
Yes and since he is the ruler of DU it's his way or the hiway. But how sad that you know so rhett o rick Jun 2016 #34
msanthrope.... democrank Jun 2016 #38
You seem to think "get it out of your system" is a reposnse to those who msanthrope Jun 2016 #55
In fairness then, Skinner should change the name of this place to ... GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #110
The PNACers were selling war in Iraq to Clinton in 1998. He LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #31
she repeated the 9-11 lies and there were 30 MILLION marching against it MisterP Jun 2016 #36
The Hillary bought into the lies defense is the worst LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #40
it's the Iran-Contra dilemma: if Reagan was complicit he should be removed, if he was uninvolved MisterP Jun 2016 #42
Oh Jesus, Nancy....She'd have her LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #48
almost every decision during the "Ronald" Reagan presidency was made through Joan Quigley MisterP Jun 2016 #49
She didn't "trust" them, she agreed with their agenda and has been aptly rewarded since. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #107
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #32
reform inside of the Democratic Party will be a slow process... NoMoreRepugs Jun 2016 #39
K&R! Thank you for this excellent post. Phlem Jun 2016 #45
It's EASY to go with the status quo felix_numinous Jun 2016 #50
Nice! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #85
hypocrisy, obfuscation, and faux poutrage. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #60
On a side tangent regarding that chart.. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #61
Right! Kerry in 2004 and Biden in 2008/12 treestar Jun 2016 #65
Very few people supported the war in Iraq, we all knew it was a lie from the start, only a few larkrake Jun 2016 #90
You are wrong. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #93
I dont consider poles as fact larkrake Jun 2016 #96
Climate deniers also decline to accept available evidence. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #99
In shock, many in Congress voted to go into Afghanistan larkrake Jun 2016 #92
Orly? It's the speech is it? Amimnoch Jun 2016 #94
Kerry is not in this primary larkrake Jun 2016 #95
So.. You have nothing. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #98
She was wrong. What does it matter how many others were wrong? She saw the rhett o rick Jun 2016 #105
"We only want to protect our women, what does it matter if we hate transgenders or not?" Amimnoch Jun 2016 #109
The years since that vote provide more context for it Babel_17 Jun 2016 #63
K&R ReRe Jun 2016 #67
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #69
I truly don't understand how politicians... Rockyj Jun 2016 #102
I honestly don't understand it either. How can Clinton-Sachs put MIC profits ahead of rhett o rick Jun 2016 #103
It's no wonder why she didnt name her book ... GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #111
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