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freshwest

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48. The owner of the gun, just like the owner of a car. Inanimate objects can't sign contracts. Not yet.
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:54 AM
Mar 2013

A person possesses something, they are responsible for it. Your car is insured for theft - likewise, if a person's gun is insured for theft and it's stolen to commit a crime, the owner's insurance takes care of that.

An owner can miminize their premium by documenting the status and safety of their storage, proving that their operation of the gun will be done legally, etc.

The same applies to a car which I'm using as an example, since if a car is improperly maintained, recklessly handled, or used in a malicious manner in order to hurt someone, that's a crime. It's called in some places vehicular homocide and a person can go to prison for it. Vehicles have a destructive ability if not used in the correct way.

Back to the house, if a tree on your property falls onto another person's car or house, you are liable. If your gun accidentally shoots someone in the same fashion, or a family member, the medical and other costs are borne by the insured.

I'm sure it sounds strange, but why not take the same level of care in licensing, registration,. proof of ownership, training as a car when one is using something that is so dangerous?

Take the drama out of this, just like with pollution - stop it at the source. Be responsible for what one does in every way possible. As far as the argument criminals don't carry insurance for their acts, well, just tack that onto the rest of what they did.

A gun is a thing that people buy. It's a financial cost to them and society at large. That includes whoever gets shot. I am guessing some people have homeowner's policies that cover possessions, both at home and on the road, like laptops and other goods.

So of course it's the owner - why shouldn't the owner of the gun be responsible for all that might occur, such as with vehicles, or construction, or the operation of a business?

Doctors carry malpractice that goes up with complaints from their own mistakes. I'm just suggesting this to be less punitive in controlling gun use and bet that people will think about the entirety of gun ownership - not just the way it makes them feel, whatever the gun dealer told them, but the relationships between the gun owner and the society at large.

This is what gun control is about. Not ending an industry, but narrowing down possession and operation of firearms. Less spur of the moment purchasing and actions with a gun. We see these stories of people shooting in public or at home, of children getting killed.

In each of those situations, there should have been a mandatory legal provision for insurance at the point of sale. Just like a car. You go to buy a car, you have to show insurance before they let you take it away. I understand the cash value is not the same, but guns don't have another purpose but killing. So they should be put in the hands of trustworty people.

I am thinking that the guys who spout off about good guys with guns should put their money where their mouth is - be in charge of what happens from start to finish, don't just cry and say 'I didn't mean to shoot him!'

If such a level of responsibility was required, a constant amount of money put out monthly, they would take their ownership more seriously. If they can't pay for the damage they might do, they should not own a gun.

JMHO.

Solve poverty, inequity, hopelessness, and the violence will go away. NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #1
+1 freshwest Mar 2013 #23
not sure it will go away, and in the meantime, guns are a very big part of violence and pollution CreekDog Mar 2013 #24
Agree. But most who covet guns would still covet them, carry them, buy the latest lethal technology Hoyt Mar 2013 #30
Just a thought. How about we fund national health care and medical research? geckosfeet Mar 2013 #2
Because it partly works, and the US is going to need all kinds of solutions to fix the problem. PDJane Mar 2013 #3
How about we tax food at 10%. That way everyone pays more. Granted the poor will feel the pinch geckosfeet Mar 2013 #12
The plan is to make those who can afford it pay, not to tax the essentials of life. PDJane Mar 2013 #18
Whose plan? I am not aware of any legislation moving in that direction. geckosfeet Mar 2013 #20
there is already a tax on bullets bossy22 Mar 2013 #4
SO let's ad 600% to that tax nonoyes Mar 2013 #6
Why don't we seize the assets of all family members of gun offenders? bossy22 Mar 2013 #9
^^^^ ellisonz Mar 2013 #37
It's 10% on firearms and 11% on ammunition, charged at the wholesale level slackmaster Mar 2013 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Mar 2013 #5
I'm sure your ducks love that tax! nonoyes Mar 2013 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Mar 2013 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author billh58 May 2017 #54
Chris Rock has a solution BainsBane Mar 2013 #8
LOVE this clip, probably should have been part of my OP. nonoyes Mar 2013 #17
I have long proposed a $5 per round tax on handgun calibers .25 & up, and on the military-style apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #10
unintended consequence? bossy22 Mar 2013 #11
It would be thrown out Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #13
Are you a Constitutional scholar or just a gun nut? nt Progressive dog Mar 2013 #14
you don't have to be a constitutional scholar bossy22 Mar 2013 #15
Because the poster stated an opinion on Constitutional law Progressive dog Mar 2013 #32
Neither Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #16
That's absurd BainsBane Mar 2013 #19
Yes, true wyldwolf Mar 2013 #22
Rights. Straw Man Mar 2013 #27
That, in itself, opens up another set of questions and, quite honestly... wyldwolf Mar 2013 #28
Yes. Straw Man Mar 2013 #34
circular arguments from you wyldwolf Mar 2013 #36
the notion that constitutionality BainsBane Mar 2013 #40
Absurdity. Straw Man Mar 2013 #26
the taxes on those are small Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #29
It would limit your right to free speech guardian Mar 2013 #39
No, it wouldn't. Congress could raise it to a MILLION dollars a round, and the courts apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #41
Not so-the Supremes have already held that such a tax is unconstitutional friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #50
Never gonna happen, and never should. NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #21
it's a partial and temporary solution. The permanent solution is going to be a long slog. PDJane Mar 2013 #25
Have you ever heard of a"temporary tax" that truly was. oneshooter Mar 2013 #31
one or two. Mostly around one thing that had to be built, like water purification. PDJane Mar 2013 #38
What's a 7.62X19? CokeMachine Mar 2013 #33
"I didn't want to pollute the place with a link." ellisonz Mar 2013 #35
Yep, I meant 7.62 X 39, the so-called "Soviet round." Thanks for the correction. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #42
I knew what you meant. CokeMachine Mar 2013 #43
What about all the ARs chambered for non-military rounds? GoldenEagle16 Mar 2013 #44
Would need a direct connection. Tax going to pay hospitals for handling gunshot wounds, or form an freshwest Mar 2013 #46
Would you insure the owner, or the gun? oneshooter Mar 2013 #47
The owner of the gun, just like the owner of a car. Inanimate objects can't sign contracts. Not yet. freshwest Mar 2013 #48
The reason I asked was because some folks were talking about a policy for each firearm. oneshooter Mar 2013 #49
Yep Duckhunter935 Mar 2013 #52
^^^^ ellisonz Mar 2013 #53
Bad precident manicdem May 2017 #55
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