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6. About nuclear war? Is quoting Sanders unfair to Sanders?

Sun Jun 21, 2015, 09:45 AM

Jun 2015

I keep going back to his website to see if he has broadened his message. I keep skimming his speeches for something new. Because you're right- it's not enough.

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Sanders brushes aside abortion "Lets have our differences " - what the fuck? [View all] bettyellen Jun 2015 OP

Hillary saying marriage is a bond between a man and a woman . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #1

He mentions abortion is something he can "agree to disagree" about. bettyellen Jun 2015 #5

I could not find those words in the article linked in your OP. Neither could the find feature of my merrily Jun 2015 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jun 2015 #79

"I know that there are differences in this room on abortion..." brer cat Jul 2015 #133

The OP revised after I posted that. merrily Jul 2015 #134

Thanks. brer cat Jul 2015 #135

You're very welcome. merrily Jul 2015 #136

Where? Where does he mention that? merrily Jun 2015 #41

Thanks , I didn't know he cosponcered this " Excluding Us " Act orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #53

They know his legislative record is great. That's why the OP reads as it does. merrily Jun 2015 #71

Are these people Hillary supporters or Koch Brothers ? orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #85

Oh by the way Merrily and Me are still waiting...Crickets orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #54

Except that since then, her views have changed shenmue Jun 2015 #20

Before or after President Obama came out for it? merrily Jun 2015 #31

Notice how the attention is diverted from reproductive rights BainsBane Jun 2015 #39

It's weird how The convo veers to attacks on Clinton or Obama bettyellen Jun 2015 #62

Utterly predictable BainsBane Jun 2015 #68

You'll notice lgbt's got tossed under the same bus. okasha Jun 2015 #132

Stop saying that until you can post him saying that . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #63

I was talking about YOU BainsBane Jun 2015 #66

Have you looked at his record? Seriously? think Jun 2015 #64

Have you read the article? BainsBane Jun 2015 #67

Yes. I sure did. think Jun 2015 #69

Then you don't need to point out his voting record to me BainsBane Jun 2015 #94

Delusional !! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #82

How is it delusional? BainsBane Jun 2015 #95

Ack! gollygee Jun 2015 #2

Exactly my thoughts. I don't know if he just feels staying on economics only is more effective... bettyellen Jun 2015 #8

You keep indicting him with not one iota of evidence, you posted an article orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #60

His mention of abortion was to brush it aside as "differences" bettyellen Jun 2015 #78

Different , honestly not to be insulting, your saying he said something, by not saying it ! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #84

He brushed off the abortion issue as one that is fine to "have differences" on.... bettyellen Jun 2015 #88

"not among Dems anyway" -- Exactly! That's the context you missed. thesquanderer Jun 2015 #104

Well it's difficult hearing a liberal candidate soft pedal the issue. bettyellen Jun 2015 #106

There are more people than you think who consider themselves both pro-choice eridani Jun 2015 #112

My candidate is JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #12

I really like O Malley these days! No need to tippy toe here. ;-) bettyellen Jun 2015 #14

P.S. JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #58

Aw, good on him for that. I hope he brings gun control to the forefront! bettyellen Jun 2015 #75

Awww ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #18

There has been little scrutiny of Bernie Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #3

You like sticking words in his mouth? Wilms Jun 2015 #4

About nuclear war? Is quoting Sanders unfair to Sanders? bettyellen Jun 2015 #6

Quoting is one thing. Editorialized parapharasing another. Wilms Jun 2015 #21

The context is he did brush aside the issue. When he addresses it during his campaign- with loud and proud support bettyellen Jun 2015 #22

To me it looked like he was on their case to vote for him. Wilms Jun 2015 #47

True- but does this mean he's sacrificed speaking out on abortion now bettyellen Jun 2015 #48

"Speaking out"? Wilms Jun 2015 #83

It's a life and death issue for women- tied more closely to their economic success than bettyellen Jun 2015 #86

I do hear you. Wilms Jun 2015 #99

In glad to read he spoke out about maternity leave too. bettyellen Jun 2015 #100

Well, yeah. They have paternity leave in parts of Europe. Wilms Jun 2015 #101

But they wouldn't trade places either. Paternity leave would be awesome too. bettyellen Jun 2015 #102

And that touches a huge subject for me. Wilms Jun 2015 #105

The Clintons have every word and action parsed to pieces. yallerdawg Jun 2015 #7

We've looked the other way many times for Hill & Bill . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #10

Well, we should give Senator Sanders (I-VT)... yallerdawg Jun 2015 #11

He is rated the most liberal Senator in general and NARAL has given him a rating of 100%. merrily Jun 2015 #32

Good article. DCBob Jun 2015 #9

Purely economic class-based appeals are not a problem now, but they will be. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #13

Now, if only the Sanders supporters would actually discuss this without dragging in Clinton KitSileya Jun 2015 #15

We will get the standard response to look up his record- and it misses the point. bettyellen Jun 2015 #16

Yes. And his response to the 1972 essay was also disappointing. KitSileya Jun 2015 #23

I think you miss the point. Having a 100% rating from NARAL means he's stuck his neck out on this merrily Jun 2015 #33

So why doesn't he speak to it- why go to Wisconson and ignore it? bettyellen Jun 2015 #40

He HAS spoken to it many times. Again, I ask, could you please post the language from your OP in merrily Jun 2015 #42

I fixed the wording for you. bettyellen Jun 2015 #49

What the fuck? ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #17

At some point I have to assume shying away from women's issues is calculated. bettyellen Jun 2015 #19

Please see Reply 32. He has shown nothing but support for civil and human rights and reproductive merrily Jun 2015 #34

Your subject line is false & misleading. CrispyQ Jun 2015 #24

On abortion: "Fine, lets have our differences". Would Sanders have the gall to say that to a more bettyellen Jun 2015 #25

Is that all you have? CrispyQ Jun 2015 #27

If and when Sanders address these issues while campaigning we will have more. bettyellen Jun 2015 #28

He should say this, he should say that. Blah, blah, blah. CrispyQ Jun 2015 #36

His campaign is all words..... Yet they don't matter to you. Fine by me. bettyellen Jun 2015 #37

Whose campaign is NOT all words? The rest of his career has been deeds. merrily Jun 2015 #46

Yeah, I dunno why that poster would say they don't matter. But point taken bettyellen Jun 2015 #50

So, HE did NOT say "agee to disagree?" Those were your words, YOUR paraphrase? merrily Jun 2015 #43

Is there a meaningful difference there? I can edit but to me bettyellen Jun 2015 #45

I think there is. Also the hit piece linked in the OP doesn't give a lot of context. merrily Jun 2015 #52

He is not being treated as a misogynist or a racist- THAT is an UGLY LIE. bettyellen Jun 2015 #55

Not a lie at all, midear. He's treated on DU like a bigot on a daily basis. merrily Jun 2015 #59

Nope. Ignoring race whe stumping is discussed as problematic... bettyellen Jun 2015 #70

"NOT GOOD ENOUGH" BULLSHIT WHAT THE FUCK? NEVER MENTIONED IMMIGRATION. None of that is discussing merrily Jun 2015 #72

He's finally addressing immigration while campaigning.... bettyellen Jun 2015 #74

Totally untrue. For just one thing, Bjorn Against posted a video of him giving a 20 minute speech merrily Jun 2015 #77

The criticism is about how he chooses to campaign - get it? bettyellen Jun 2015 #80

My comment went to Gutierrez's lie about Sanders and how DU jumped on it as though it were gospel. merrily Jun 2015 #109

+100 kath Jun 2015 #56

Buried in the hit piece that is linked in the OP. merrily Jun 2015 #26

Don't you know? Depaysement Jun 2015 #29

I thought my post also covered the "what he says" issue. merrily Jun 2015 #38

Dirty tricks indeed Depaysement Jun 2015 #51

It's not buried because it's not a hit piece. Lol. bettyellen Jun 2015 #103

If you believe that, you may not know how to recognize a hit piece. merrily Jun 2015 #108

I also pointed that out to bettyellen in GD before she came and posted this OP... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #118

No. Not okay. BainsBane Jun 2015 #35

Apparently not entirely true, either. merrily Jun 2015 #44

What is not true is that anyone called Sanders a misogynist- I fixed my OP so you could do us the bettyellen Jun 2015 #57

Stop it. I didn't any DUer actually CALLED him a misogynist. Please stop pretending I did. merrily Jun 2015 #61

The parsing begins! Treated as a misogynist or called a misogynist- all the same. bettyellen Jun 2015 #65

I don't think Sanders is a misogynist or a racist ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #73

Exactly - they are attacking the SJWs they were always dismissive of..... bettyellen Jun 2015 #76

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #87

I'm commenting as a long time DUer and the article has him quoted as setting aside abortion as bettyellen Jun 2015 #90

Womens Rights shouldn't include Castigation of everything else . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #91

Women's rights should not be shunted aside for political gain, period. bettyellen Jun 2015 #92

When was Hillary EVER against a Woman's Right to Choose? HockeyMom Jun 2015 #81

I did Too, she voted to believe shrub, She owes the 1% , And orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #89

O'Malley's record on policing is pretty awful, though. F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #93

Did you read his interview with NPR? BainsBane Jun 2015 #97

Or a woman who is interested mainly in making sure that half of the 1% are women. eridani Jun 2015 #113

Spare me the bumper sticker slogans BainsBane Jun 2015 #114

Given that my next door neightbor bled to death because a Catholic hospital eridani Jun 2015 #115

In that case, I would think you would not make excuses for politicians who fail to stand up for BainsBane Jun 2015 #123

I damned well do know what the upper 20% is. eridani Jun 2015 #129

Who's to know he isn't evolving.. some of his statements boston bean Jun 2015 #130

Where did Bernie Sanders say black people have to do what their betters tell them? Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #117

She didn't say he said that, and you know it. boston bean Jun 2015 #119

No. O'Malley’s record in Baltimore: elleng Jun 2015 #98

Shit. I didn't realize this was in HOF all this time BainsBane Jun 2015 #96

I know right? ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #110

Nice little Bernie hit piece you've found there... ms liberty Jun 2015 #107

Do you speak for PoC? leftofcool Jun 2015 #126

No, I speak for myself as a woman, ms liberty Jun 2015 #131

Brushing it aside? A Little Weird Jun 2015 #111

I miss the unrec button. Scuba Jun 2015 #116

You can always use the trash group function BainsBane Jun 2015 #120

That part doesn't bother me at all, it's the false narrative that Bernie doesn't care which irks me. Scuba Jun 2015 #121

You could at least bother to read the article BainsBane Jun 2015 #124

Please see post # 111. Scuba Jun 2015 #125

directing me to a post that confirms my argument BainsBane Jun 2015 #128

Kick and highly recommended! William769 Jun 2015 #122

He's still trying to win back those "disaffected white voters", ya know? Quite frankly, I think this Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #127