History of Feminism

DonCoquixote

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Sat Jul 26, 2014, 06:52 PM

Jul 2014

The sort of BDSM done in 50 shades is not, nor should it be considered, regular BDSM that is done between CONSENTING ADULTS!, therefore, this book does NOT deserve the same protection we would offer to two adults that are just having fun. The motto adopted by many is "safe, sane, consentual" three things the asshole "protagonist" in this book is NOT!

Yes, this book is sexist, and no, it does not matter that it was written by a woman, that was imitating Stephanie Miller, another woman whose book Twilight GLAMORIZED BEATING YOUR SPOUSE and KILLING HER. At least, unlike Twilight, this book was not marketed to teens, but if this movie gets money, then it very likely may be.

I would love to see real BDSM couples rip this flick apart, especially as it exploits them and sells a false image that they hope will sell merchandise.

I have locked horns with redqueen before on this issue, but as far as attacking 50 shades, I will gladly fight alongside her in that trench, especially as I know people who are sick sick sick of having to tell their friends "no, we do not LIKE that fucking book, much less want to imitate that."

Especially because the "dom" in this one is just another rich tool who thinks the world revolves around him (minor spolier altert, I guess) If I wanted to see rich tools get what they want so they can hide their lack of manhood, I would watch Fox News.

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I'm so sick of anti-feminist trolls here getting a free pass. [View all] redqueen Jul 2014 OP

can you believe? the argument in an OP. hey... shut the fuck up. you are not allowed to say seabeyond Jul 2014 #1

I think I really am done with this place. redqueen Jul 2014 #4

there is one that is actively keeping the thread going redq. one. and ya... there are a few more seabeyond Jul 2014 #5

Do what you need to... TDale313 Jul 2014 #6

you sound like me the other day - Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #15

Your anger jumps off the page, and I totally understand it. For me, when I saw that shit Squinch Jul 2014 #61

I made it through the first round of open rape apologetics on this board redqueen Jul 2014 #71

If it were only ignorance, I could stand it. But there is a glee that goes along with the ignorance Squinch Jul 2014 #73

Yeah, agree, but try and not leave, I know I want to everyday randys1 Jul 2014 #77

50 Shades is just porn intaglio Jul 2014 #2

Personally I'm sick of people defending the eroticization of hierarchical power structures. redqueen Jul 2014 #3

This needs to be put on bumper sticker. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #8

^^^^ yes and yes what you said - ^^^^^ Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #16

Yep & all you need to say is "BDSM: as long as it's consensual" and, bingo! whathehell Jul 2014 #81

My view is it's best not to get after people for their private choices BainsBane Jul 2014 #82

I'm sorry, but I don't believe, convenient as it may be to assume that stance, whathehell Jul 2014 #83

On a cultural level they mirror broader social relations BainsBane Jul 2014 #84

What's posted on a public website, is not very "personal" and whathehell Jul 2014 #85

I have to agree with you there. MadrasT Jul 2014 #86

Thanks, Madras, whathehell Jul 2014 #87

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #90

What thread? Was it about 50 shades? ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #7

good post. we will have a week or two of those applauding this trying to get this a norm, like rape seabeyond Jul 2014 #9

Exactly ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #11

that would be the reason hetero male porn is 87% about humiliating, denigrating the woman. that is seabeyond Jul 2014 #12

+1 LiberalLoner Jul 2014 #34

I have not read The Story of O ... or saw the movie ... Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #18

Yup-- only the book isn't clear what happens-- it ends there ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #45

thanks for the excerpt, ism. - Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #47

dear lord. not sure I want to see this but off to search anyway Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #10

hey woman. this one can turn into an all day thing, if the guys feel they seabeyond Jul 2014 #13

ha! This is my weekend to work so, yeah. Not even posting in the thread although Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #14

" I could not get past the 3rd page" general consensus. pr blitz. that is all it was. seabeyond Jul 2014 #17

it was a hoot to watch as it went through the pseudo/ jr league club where I worked at the time. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #19

oh -- I see another thread about all this ... I think this is the one to which rq is talking about Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #20

exactly. keep it in your fuckin bedroom, please, and i wont give a fuckin flyin shit. exactly. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #21

I see you trying to explain that ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #22

really, so fuckin funny. isnt it. lol. and way too easy. it is foolish. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #24

the egotistical presumption of that OP astounds me. Dude! We are talking about a fucking MOVIE - Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #23

i think this is the problem. the porn, the humiliation and degradation of women IS their sex life. seabeyond Jul 2014 #25

! Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #28

All decent SMBD porn has a "don't try this at home" warning ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #30

I used to work in the ED at the local hospital ... Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #33

the really sick part with men is stating women fantasize about rape. in womens fantasy, it is a seabeyond Jul 2014 #38

Oh but it's JUST a MOVIE ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #46

Starting a thread on that ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #50

for shame, ism ... Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #52

Oh yeah My Bad ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #55

The "flamebait" thread has a long history here at DU. MADem Jul 2014 #26

"the jury sweepstakes begin" seabeyond Jul 2014 #27

true enough but, only since the inception of DU3 did the jury sweepstakes begin Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #29

do you know. i rarely got a post deleted with du2. i knew the rules and followed. moderators were seabeyond Jul 2014 #32

me too, sea. me too and the very Fairest thing about is that the post that started it all was Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #35

Well, it's one form of tribalism over another. MADem Jul 2014 #36

Truth ... they are First and #1 Businessmen with families to support Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #40

Yeah I'm going to hide every thread ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #31

I agree. These guys are all just fighting with the mommies in their heads at this point, and Squinch Jul 2014 #60

+1 freshwest Jul 2014 #80

Yes. He is the one who gave us boobs in space among other things. He lives to flame, and I Squinch Jul 2014 #39

+1. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #41

Boobs in Space? I've heard of Jews in Space (Mel Brooks) .... MADem Jul 2014 #43

She was referring to this demonstration of sexism on DU. redqueen Jul 2014 #54

How the hell was that hidden? ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #57

There was not one jury comment on the results BainsBane Jul 2014 #68

It was hidden because the poster's name is "seabeyond" n/t Scootaloo Jul 2014 #76

Skinner was correct to label that thread as off topic. MADem Jul 2014 #58

Honestly that shit does not even belong in the lounge - Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #62

Well, I wouldn't start a thread of that type anywhere, not even in the lounge. MADem Jul 2014 #74

I would agree with you if this were DU2 but, on DU3 with GD being so lounge-y any more Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #75

I think the lounge keeps a lot of crap at bay. MADem Jul 2014 #78

Yes, if More People Would Use It but, They Don't ... so you see the conundrum here. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #79

Arrgh! I can't believe sea's post was hidden. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #67

And they're deliberately misrepresenting what the book is about. JoeyT Jul 2014 #37

perfect post. all around. thank you. their cheer for abuse of women being their entertainment seabeyond Jul 2014 #42

class and party DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #69

What irritates me is that I don't see people arguing they shouldn't el_bryanto Jul 2014 #44

What irritates me is that they are railing against people who are speaking against consensual sex Squinch Jul 2014 #48

I know right? ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #49

And they just pulled that weird argument out of their asses. It's as if I were to post an OP Squinch Jul 2014 #59

THey move it to consensual sex because it's safer ground el_bryanto Jul 2014 #51

it is hilarious to watch. and how they keep defending their right to remain ignorant Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #53

The same weird argument applies to porn in general. thucythucy Jul 2014 #56

I agree about redqueen's voice. It is one of the few reasons I still come here. And you are right Squinch Jul 2014 #63

bottom line DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #64

+1 ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #65

I've never been compared to Rick Santorum...until today, of course. Gravitycollapse Jul 2014 #66

I was late to the party and have been getting caught up. You did nothing wrong . . . kickitup Jul 2014 #88

Here is a synopsis of the book BainsBane Jul 2014 #70

What would be the point of future discussions? redqueen Jul 2014 #72

you have no idea how sick of it I am. Wish I could rec this post a million times and I do mean Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #89