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Squinch

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21. Those strawmen are not that surprising, because they are an almost universal response

Sat Feb 22, 2014, 07:40 AM

Feb 2014

to the loss of unearned privileges. I can deal with the strawmen because I know they are just statements of ignorance.

What I can't stomach is the gleeful cruelty that I have seen in the last few days, and the smug entitlement of those who are now insisting that the experiences of others are unimportant when held up against their discomfort or inconvenience.

What I also find tragic are those who are so pitiful, and so obvious in their need for attention, who keep cropping up and saying, "Look over here! I created this conflict, and I deserve credit for it! Don't forget about me! I have to have attention for this! Look at me!"

All I can do in the face of these responses is recognize that, grotesque as they are, they are just death throes of ignorant and obsolete attitudes.

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"A small group" is responsible for all that ails DU [View all] BainsBane Feb 2014 OP

We refuse to watch GD become a boys' club gollygee Feb 2014 #1

+1 redqueen Feb 2014 #42

+1000 JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #59

I like boobs... shedevil69taz Feb 2014 #2

I've got boobs BainsBane Feb 2014 #4

... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #14

and your feet are blue... shedevil69taz Feb 2014 #15

It's a blue footed booby discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2014 #94

What aggravates me is that a small handful in here use the term 'feminist' as a pejorative term Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #3

What bugs me more BainsBane Feb 2014 #5

When guys like that are going around 'explaining' feminism to women redqueen Feb 2014 #43

When I told one of them that his post was "mansplaining" he complained that I was hurling a gender CTyankee Feb 2014 #55

Yup, that's just outright lies. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #54

Wow! Iggo Feb 2014 #6

Brava! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #7

No matter what goes down on DU3. The world is -so- much bigger. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #8

It's about the real estate of DU and which sufrommich Feb 2014 #9

so much the analogy of the Plantation House and The Slaves quarters going on with what you Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #10

I dont know,I just notice that the default setting sufrommich Feb 2014 #11

and those that cater to the straight, white, males. They are welcome. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #119

Looks like a troll found your post so fascinating BainsBane Aug 2014 #120

He was selling real estate - in Singapore. Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #121

How funny BainsBane Aug 2014 #122

He was just one of many late night spammers Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #123

While I'm not a mind-reader, I certainly can't deny that these tendencies exist even among nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #13

Those strawmen are not that surprising, because they are an almost universal response Squinch Feb 2014 #21

....... sufrommich Feb 2014 #25

Goddess yes, the need for attention. For personal recognition. redqueen Feb 2014 #45

I blush to confess that I was tempted to post a "Feminist men are better lovers" thread here CTyankee Feb 2014 #56

Well... Squinch Feb 2014 #57

women have been burned at the stake for less... CTyankee Feb 2014 #58

Frightening, the way people often respond to perceived (even if falsely so) threats. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #95

Well JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #60

I know that and you know that and many, many feminists (male and female) know that but it doesn't CTyankee Feb 2014 #61

You are too nice JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #63

I think it is best to leave it where it is and keep on educating. Teachable moments... CTyankee Feb 2014 #64

Well I just taught on another thread JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #66

good for you! I can understand that very well... CTyankee Feb 2014 #67

Yes, the "Me! It's on Me!" posts are to pick at the scabs to see more festering piles of goo R B Garr Feb 2014 #86

Childish, self-absorbed, think they're steaming hot shit... And these folks are supposed to be nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #96

Personally I think a few have-- serious issues-- ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #16

very serious creeper issues if you ask me Whisp Feb 2014 #49

Shame on you uppity wiminz! Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #17

The new market being catered to, apparently, is the far, far right. From 1962. Squinch Feb 2014 #22

Yeah, for self-proclaimed progressives, some of these guys are awfully Archie Bunker-lite... n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #98

"Frat culture. The new DU. Controversy sells, even if it's manufactured." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #97

I strongly agree but there is one addition I would make: white frat culture, as we have Squinch Feb 2014 #109

Yeah, whether people realize it or not, it is about framing issues in a totally right-wing way. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #110

What the hell is going on?? Why do we have to fight right wing trolls to have a conversation about Squinch Feb 2014 #111

Unless they're big-time donors, I can't imagine the net value in letting them hang around spewing nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #112

Oy, that one! I don't know what the reasoning could possibly be, but it's really just as unpleasant Squinch Feb 2014 #115

BainsBane BellaKos Feb 2014 #18

Oh, it's you. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #19

Sheldon Cooper BellaKos Feb 2014 #26

I quit reading her posts BainsBane Feb 2014 #50

I tried education. I tried being reasonable, and polite. KitSileya Feb 2014 #20

KitSileya BellaKos Feb 2014 #28

Wow, this OP is in response to sweeping generalizations made boston bean Feb 2014 #29

I think telling people that when they are harassed, KitSileya Feb 2014 #34

KitSileya BellaKos Feb 2014 #38

After perusing the post you linked (OMG!), chervilant Feb 2014 #33

My ignore list is empty. Perhaps it shouldn't be. KitSileya Feb 2014 #35

My ignore list was empty, until I started adding the misogynists, chervilant Feb 2014 #37

Your last sentence is so true. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #40

I've read this morning chervilant Feb 2014 #71

I just started the other day ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #46

My boss had a confab chervilant Feb 2014 #53

No mind reading necessary when there is a history of words. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #23

Are you an adult? Do you really think that "cultural indoctrination" still gives you a pass? Squinch Feb 2014 #24

Squinch BellaKos Feb 2014 #31

Is that your "cultural indoctrination" that isn't allowing you to see that you are Squinch Feb 2014 #32

Squinch BellaKos Feb 2014 #36

And you didn't consider for a second that it was an appropriate response to the Squinch Feb 2014 #39

Squinch BellaKos Feb 2014 #41

Oh, of course. I don't accept your idea that I need to approach Squinch Feb 2014 #44

especially when a number of those people have said they are not Democrats BainsBane Feb 2014 #51

What the hell did you just say? ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #47

What is in a name? DURHAM D Feb 2014 #62

"A personal attack"? I don't see one. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #65

Problem is, to a certain extent, your suggested approach has been tried and has failed. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #99

"The fact is we are dealing with some very angry people who hate progress more than anything else." MadrasT Feb 2014 #27

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #30

Very true. nt Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #48

Yes, people who have relatively little in life and are afraid of losing even that. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #100

as I said on another thread DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #52

Like those who seemingly pine for the (pre-Reagan) "good old days" when really nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #101

Bingo DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #102

FREE-DUMB !!! although the definition I just read, in GD, of freedom sounded more like Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #68

Is this more Ayn Rand freedom? BainsBane Feb 2014 #69

A thread inspired by your post, BainsBane hlthe2b Feb 2014 #70

I've been wondering, lately, LWolf Feb 2014 #72

I think it is quite likely... n/t hlthe2b Feb 2014 #73

One thing that surprises me.. KitSileya Feb 2014 #74

They also misunderstand (perhaps willfully) what objectification is. It's nothing inherently to do nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #103

Forgive me but I need to put this somewhere... RBStevens Feb 2014 #75

Who said that? KitSileya Feb 2014 #76

Here's the link pintobean Feb 2014 #81

Decided to swtich sides, did you? BainsBane Feb 2014 #83

Not at all. pintobean Feb 2014 #84

Someone said that? BainsBane Feb 2014 #77

not unexpected from that poster. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #78

Would you please name that person? Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #79

Bennyboy. In the Dear Gentlemen of DU thread. nt DLevine Feb 2014 #80

Thanks. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #82

And the DU jury system votes 3-3 to leave it. DLevine Feb 2014 #85

I doubt that anyone who has been paying attention finds that at all surprising. redqueen Feb 2014 #88

No kidding. As I said over on the thread RBStevens Feb 2014 #89

Well the TOS covers 'gender' issues and that should be enough dammit! redqueen Feb 2014 #90

sadly, the TOS DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #106

Great post, BainsBane R B Garr Feb 2014 #87

well ... it -is- a small group but, Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #91

I don't think they all post in that group BainsBane Feb 2014 #92

as do I. -- I trashed it when I got banned from there and, then they started an OP Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #93

we saw this in 2008 DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #104

You nailed it. BainsBane Feb 2014 #105

Supremacist politics are very easily absorbed Recursion Feb 2014 #107

thank you for putting out this angle. excellent. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #108

Excellent ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #114

It's HOF's FAULT!!! Texasgal Feb 2014 #113

RUN! RUN for your lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!! too funny, huh? nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #116

The whole thing is becoming more Texasgal Feb 2014 #117

what do you mean. it already has, lol. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #118