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In reply to the discussion: Regarding the response to Dylan Farrow's letter: [View all]redqueen
(115,164 posts)42. Playing tapes... yes... that's something a lot of people live with.
It's not a choice, it's not 'wallowing in victimhood' as some callous people on this site have described it.
It is simply life.
This person had a lot of good things to say about these discussions, I think.
Some notes on Dylan Farrow, Woody Allen, and separating artists and their art
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So what would you do then?
At the very least, Id keep my mouth shut about it. People who are sharing their stories about being molested are already taking a huge step by saying anything about it in publicthat the internets are full of assholes who get off on picking at other peoples scabs is a surprise to no one. Theres really no upside to talking about this when youve been a victim, other than to maybe help other people who have been victimized feel a little less alone. If you attack them, even on the level of you need to think more deeply about this subject (and fuck you for that condescension, by the way), then the message you send is two-fold. You tell the person you responded to that their experience doesnt really matter, and you tell anyone else watching (because this is the internet, after all) that if they come forward, theyll get the same treatment. Youre taking a shitty situation and piling on pain.
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I was molested and I dont have any problem with Allens/Polanskis movies.
In all sincerity, I mean this: good for you. Its always a good thing when youre not reminded of being molested. Like I said above, neither of these filmmakers are triggers for me either. But, and this is important, my experience is not universal, and neither is yours. Just because you love some film doesnt mean that it wont trigger another person. Youd no doubt laugh at some of my triggers, which I will never mention online because, hello, internet assholes, but they can still shake me for hours if not days. These are things that would be background noise to most people, but to me, theyre linked to painful memories. So if someone says this is a thing for me, dont react as though theyre ridiculous. Give them the benefit of the doubt.
Woody Allen was never convicted of anything
True. But most molesters arent. Mine wasnt. Mine was never even accused. I didnt tell anyone about mine until 14 years later, even though wed lived more than 800 miles from the molester for 11 of those years and I hadnt seen her for more than a decade. If thats the standard youre going to demand before youll take personal action, again, thats up to you. Just dont expect it of everyone else.
If theres been a common theme to these answers, its this: its not about you. If people are sharing their stories, their pain about being molested, at least give them space if you cant give them sympathy.
http://newindesmoines.tumblr.com/post/75338765875/some-notes-on-dylan-farrow-woody-allen-and-separating
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So what would you do then?
At the very least, Id keep my mouth shut about it. People who are sharing their stories about being molested are already taking a huge step by saying anything about it in publicthat the internets are full of assholes who get off on picking at other peoples scabs is a surprise to no one. Theres really no upside to talking about this when youve been a victim, other than to maybe help other people who have been victimized feel a little less alone. If you attack them, even on the level of you need to think more deeply about this subject (and fuck you for that condescension, by the way), then the message you send is two-fold. You tell the person you responded to that their experience doesnt really matter, and you tell anyone else watching (because this is the internet, after all) that if they come forward, theyll get the same treatment. Youre taking a shitty situation and piling on pain.
...
I was molested and I dont have any problem with Allens/Polanskis movies.
In all sincerity, I mean this: good for you. Its always a good thing when youre not reminded of being molested. Like I said above, neither of these filmmakers are triggers for me either. But, and this is important, my experience is not universal, and neither is yours. Just because you love some film doesnt mean that it wont trigger another person. Youd no doubt laugh at some of my triggers, which I will never mention online because, hello, internet assholes, but they can still shake me for hours if not days. These are things that would be background noise to most people, but to me, theyre linked to painful memories. So if someone says this is a thing for me, dont react as though theyre ridiculous. Give them the benefit of the doubt.
Woody Allen was never convicted of anything
True. But most molesters arent. Mine wasnt. Mine was never even accused. I didnt tell anyone about mine until 14 years later, even though wed lived more than 800 miles from the molester for 11 of those years and I hadnt seen her for more than a decade. If thats the standard youre going to demand before youll take personal action, again, thats up to you. Just dont expect it of everyone else.
If theres been a common theme to these answers, its this: its not about you. If people are sharing their stories, their pain about being molested, at least give them space if you cant give them sympathy.
http://newindesmoines.tumblr.com/post/75338765875/some-notes-on-dylan-farrow-woody-allen-and-separating
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Led Zeppelin - another example of being unable to enjoy the art after learning about the artists.
redqueen
Feb 2014
#50
Same reason Charlie Sheen and Chris Brown faced very different reactions from the public nt
redqueen
Feb 2014
#54
Yes, your observations are correct and the injustice & inhumanity of it all
whathehell
Feb 2014
#103
If men molest girls, it's accepted - made excuses for. If they molest boys, it's not.
Triana
Feb 2014
#22
no, they weren't married - it was a correction to some one who called Mia his wife.
hollysmom
Feb 2014
#56
She provided the dates - I never asked anything, I am just a witness to what I saw happening.
hollysmom
Feb 2014
#104
Where are you getting "recovered memories" from? Dylan did not recover any memories.
redqueen
Feb 2014
#110
It is bending over backwards when you are grasping at straws, introducing entirely unrelated issues,
redqueen
Feb 2014
#114
I have no tolerance for it. Tying yourself in knots trying to prove Dylan shouldn't be believed
redqueen
Feb 2014
#96
I amthe bad guy? you are judging me for things I did not say and I am the bad guy!!!
hollysmom
Feb 2014
#107
It's too late to prosecute him, I believe. So all that's left is individual people making up
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#40
I keep asking myself Why would one put theirself through all this public
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#4
dude. when I use -()- around a word or group of words that should give you some
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#68
It also sucks that more than 94% of abuse allegations turn out to be true.
LanternWaste
Feb 2014
#99
Hard to do when people don't frickin believe women who have been molested, raped, assaulted.
boston bean
Feb 2014
#11
It's too late to prosecute him. This often happens in child sexual abuse crimes.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#33
Maybe you should have waited to form your final judgment till you heard from the grown up girl.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#36
I agree....and it's interesting that Mia's son, who is a therapist, backs Allen. nt
msanthrope
Feb 2014
#47
I have no idea what happened... but i think RQ is referring to the responses here on DU
Scootaloo
Feb 2014
#51
^^^^ excellent Cut and Paste ^^^^ MUST READ ^^^^ thank you for posting it.
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#62
There is also his sickening "affair" with a 17-year-old high school student
Arugula Latte
Feb 2014
#70
Is it wrong that I find myself afraid of people who are attacking a little girl who was molested?
bravenak
Feb 2014
#76
No, it isn't wrong. It's natural to be wary of people who seem to have more concern for protecting
redqueen
Feb 2014
#80
It's so gross seeing DUers defending the idea of middle-aged people dating teenagers.
redqueen
Feb 2014
#120