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Showing Original Post only (View all)If I Admit That 'Hating Men' Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy? [View all]
Okay, so maybe you are a man. Maybe you haven't had the easiest ride in lifemaybe you grew up in poverty; you've experienced death, neglect, and despair; you hate your job, your car, your body. Maybe somebody (or multiple somebodies) pulverized your heart, or maybe you've never even been loved enough to know what a broken heart feels like. Maybe shit started out unfair and became irreparable and you never deserved any of this. Maybe everything looks fine on paper, but you're just unhappy and you don't know why. These are human problems and other human beings feel for you very deeply. It is hard to be a human. I am so sorry.
However.
Though it is a seductive scapegoat (I understand why it attracts you), none of these terrible, painful problems in your life were caused by the spectre of "misandry." You can rest easy about that, I promise! In fact, the most powerful proponent of misandry in modern internet discourse is you specifically, your dogged insistence that misandry is a genuine, systemic, oppressive force on par with misogyny. This is specious, it hurts women, and it is hurting you. Most feminists don't hate men, as a group (we hate the system that disproportionately favors men at the expense of women), but congratulations! we are starting to hate you. You, the person. Your obsession with misandry has turned misandry into a self-fulfilling prophecy. (I mean, sort of. Hating individual men is not the same as hating all men. But more on that in a minute.) Are you happy now? Is this what you wanted? Feminism is, in essence, a social justice movementit wants to take the side of the alienated and the marginalized, and that includes alienated and marginalized men. Please stop turning us against you.
It is nearly impossible to address problems facing womenespecially problems in which men are even tangentially culpablewithout comments sections devolving into cries of "misandry!" from men and replies of "misandry isn't real" from women. Feminists are tired of this endless, fruitless turd-pong: hollow "conversation" built on willful miscommunication, bouncing back and forth, back and forth, until both sides throw up their hands and bolt. Maybe you are tired of this too. We seem to be having some very deep misunderstandings on this point, so let's unpack it. I promise not to yell.
However.
Though it is a seductive scapegoat (I understand why it attracts you), none of these terrible, painful problems in your life were caused by the spectre of "misandry." You can rest easy about that, I promise! In fact, the most powerful proponent of misandry in modern internet discourse is you specifically, your dogged insistence that misandry is a genuine, systemic, oppressive force on par with misogyny. This is specious, it hurts women, and it is hurting you. Most feminists don't hate men, as a group (we hate the system that disproportionately favors men at the expense of women), but congratulations! we are starting to hate you. You, the person. Your obsession with misandry has turned misandry into a self-fulfilling prophecy. (I mean, sort of. Hating individual men is not the same as hating all men. But more on that in a minute.) Are you happy now? Is this what you wanted? Feminism is, in essence, a social justice movementit wants to take the side of the alienated and the marginalized, and that includes alienated and marginalized men. Please stop turning us against you.
It is nearly impossible to address problems facing womenespecially problems in which men are even tangentially culpablewithout comments sections devolving into cries of "misandry!" from men and replies of "misandry isn't real" from women. Feminists are tired of this endless, fruitless turd-pong: hollow "conversation" built on willful miscommunication, bouncing back and forth, back and forth, until both sides throw up their hands and bolt. Maybe you are tired of this too. We seem to be having some very deep misunderstandings on this point, so let's unpack it. I promise not to yell.
You can read these five parts at the link below..
Part One: Why Feminism Has "Fem" in the Name, or, Why Can't We All Just Be Humanists?
Part Two: Why Claiming that Sexism Isn't Real Is a Sexist Thing to Say
Part Three: Why People Being Shitty to You Is Not the Same as You Being Systematically Disenfranchised
Part Four: A List of "Men's Rights" Issues That Feminism Is Already Working On
Part Five: I'm Sorry That You Are in Pain, But Please Stop Taking It Out on Women
http://jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-admit-that-hating-men-is-a-thing-will-you-stop-turning-it-into-a-self+fulfilling-prophecy
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If I Admit That 'Hating Men' Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy? [View all]
boston bean
Dec 2013
OP
Welp... you called it... I really didn't think it would get this much attention. Certainly struck
boston bean
Dec 2013
#51
Well, up to this point, I was genuinely curious as to what the purpose of your response was.
boston bean
Dec 2013
#11
you fail in communication leaving question to what you aer saying. then you throw a rant when what
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#12
Just as an aside, you should check the group, because the rules for posting differ by group.
spooky3
Dec 2013
#14
oh, the "tone" complaint coupled with "possibly sarcastic" broadbrushing- why not go for a trifecta?
bettyellen
Dec 2013
#131
I have a fantastic progressive friend going through a custody dispute right now
TekGryphon
Dec 2013
#21
you have a friend, going thru a divorce, and obviously on his side, feeling his pain, with no actual
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#35
historically rules of divorce were there to perpetute he system men preferred- dumping the kids on
bettyellen
Dec 2013
#132
you can go into the mens forum, join a thread about how to cheat a wife out of her share of the $
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#31
why would you do this? it is a serious subject. grabbing your popcorn, waiting for entertainment
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#17
Sea I don't see anything nefarious with his posting. I think maybe it is being misinterpreted. He
boston bean
Dec 2013
#18
lol. i do not know either. hence, allowing the poster to clarify. that is the right thing to do,
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#22
If you really want a fruitful discussion about feminism I am not sure this is the best way to do it.
yellowcanine
Dec 2013
#23
So, once again: instead of men actually listening to us, and thinking about what we're saying,
Sheldon Cooper
Dec 2013
#26
"Listening" goes both ways. Does disagreement necessarily mean I did not listen?
yellowcanine
Dec 2013
#50
this post is NOT addressing you. obviously. the problem, is men like you do not live in this world
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#29
Ok I do not understand this response - I implied that there IS a need for society to take a
yellowcanine
Dec 2013
#43
"I think most men on THIS site agree with that." 6. at this point, not including you because
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#45
my tone? was not right? i tried. man i tippy toed, i asked questions, i compliment, i embraced you
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#53
you ask. that is good. so i will answer. women consistently, continually hear we would be more
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#47
btw... you will take note how this whole issue is talking about this issue with you, and not
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#49
with respect, the sad truth is that you are more the exception, not the rule
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#54
well fuck. k. basics. you dismissed everything i said and became accusatory and defensive. a man
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#66
this is a discussion board, what are they supposed to do then, just STFU? nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#67
This facile understanding of what feminism is about has been fostered by many well-meaning women.
redqueen
Dec 2013
#182
exactly redq. i say, that is the easy stuff. womens right. feminism is the hard stuff.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#184
i hear ya. it is silly and immature for men to immerse themselves in this mentality.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#30
a lot if this stuff is just over my head. if i am hated by virtue being born
geckosfeet
Dec 2013
#33
so... you did walk in merely to disrupt in your cryptic post. bat signal go out? i see RC here
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#36
my posts to you = hate? really? calling you out for purposely being disruptive and disrespectful
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#176
good way to illustrate why some individuals are dismissed as fools and losers, thank you.
bettyellen
Dec 2013
#133
Thanks to you as well for demonstrating the need for articles such as the OP.
redqueen
Dec 2013
#174
as usual i stopped reading with your offensive first sentence. you do not belong in this group. your
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#37
i do not care where the Op was. you are adult enough, and capable enough to simply look
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#42
boston... as a member of this group, and probably the first time ever, i ask you consider banning
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#38
thank you geek. he is very consistent with these insults to us, while pretending not. nt
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#61
yes. he defines feminism and the ones that do not follow his definition have emotional damage.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#87
Yeah, feminists should be deferential to men. They seem to have not gotten that memo. nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#91
yet... you have to continually, always, consistently throw in your jabs toward hof. and why oh why,
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#106
You want us to stop recommending threads and have others who haven't ever made a single post in here
boston bean
Dec 2013
#107
so, this is how many posts? you are well aware you are in hof, STILL the insults. ya. get over it
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#113
You are ignoring that you are posting in this group, and insulting the hell out of us.
boston bean
Dec 2013
#114
Like I know, you are always quick to blame but never any self introspection.
boston bean
Dec 2013
#116
scary. reading BB's post above, i just caught a glance and thought rc was telling bb to be .....
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#119
In his mind, he was a briliant ray of positivity.... does he even read what he wrote??
boston bean
Dec 2013
#121
i am telling ya. i haev had two years experience with this dazzling brilliance. and that is exactly
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#124
Yeah, but he has an interest in psychology, and has read books. Therefore, he feels he
Squinch
Dec 2013
#127
or like you said. take responsibility. you insult. dude. that would be negative. all the time,
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#118
personally attacking a group of people is not "opinion". it is stepping in and personally attacking
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#110
your one crappy realtionship has nothing to do with the OP. If you actully read it, you would not
bettyellen
Dec 2013
#134
it only took all day for someone to alert? of course it stays. insulting feminists is the in thing
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#138
It not about you or the group. its about DU. I post all leave it juries on which I serve.
aikoaiko
Dec 2013
#143
this is what amazes me. rape, abuse, murder, oppression, submission, subjugated, degraded
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#62
all with expectation of bringing in income while doing all housework, caring of children, feeding
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#64
Oy, so you start with a gender stereotype and then blame women for the stereotype being
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#69
Jesus wept. for real. tragc. just leave the man alone. and assume ALL responsibilities running
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#70
apparently lighting the furnace is an example of gender oppression. who knew?
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#72
btw... i lit the pilot last saturday in game room so a bunch of teenage boys could stay warm.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#73
did you do that on bended knee and a tray of refreshments in your other hand?
boston bean
Dec 2013
#88
nah. these boys love me. follow me around going on and on and on. they just do not see me
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#90
I used to get annoyed by the phrase "What about the menz?" because it seemed overly
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#139
"Why People Being Shitty to You Is Not the Same as You Being Systematically Disenfranchised " Yep.
bettyellen
Dec 2013
#129