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redqueen

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114. The endless flogging of one set of statistics about rape is enough reason to ignore.

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:35 PM

Apr 2013

I'm glad the men (and it is almost always men) are so comforted by those statistics.

I've had my experiences, and I have two daughters. I'm not about to shut up about rape.

As for the other, as soon as someone describes sex with another person as a "need", you know it's pointless to attempt reasoned discussion.

And regardless, many disabled people are able to find partners without paying to use them as masturbatory aids, so this portrayal of them as uniquely unlovable is just ugly.

There are lots of people who for one reason or another have trouble finding a romantic partner. The issue isn't helping the disabled, its legitimizing the idea that buying sex is acceptable.

And demagoguing the issue by conflating a desire for intimacy (genuinely understandable) with a desire to have someone else facilitate an orgasm for you (LOL) is, IMO, sick.

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Thread to discuss sexism and misogyny you encounter on DU. [View all] boston bean Apr 2013 OP

Thank you BB. Texasgal Apr 2013 #1

Solidarity! boston bean Apr 2013 #8

Thank you for reopening/pinning this thread. TDale313 Apr 2013 #2

Your welcome TDale. Thanks for showing your support! boston bean Apr 2013 #9

Yeah! haikugal Apr 2013 #3

Hey-o haikugal! boston bean Apr 2013 #13

(((hugs))) haikugal Apr 2013 #16

Edited BainsBane Apr 2013 #4

BB, I admire you. Z_I_Peevey Apr 2013 #5

Oh Z_I_ boston bean Apr 2013 #6

Good on you Boston Bean!! Nt Tien1985 Apr 2013 #7

Hey Tien! Thank you for all of your support! boston bean Apr 2013 #10

Tien rocks! BainsBane Apr 2013 #11

"discuss sexism and misogyny you encounter on DU." all of today, in so many ways. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #12

I'm glad to see you started this thread again personally I try to be an ally however imperfect Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #14

Hi-o Arcane! boston bean Apr 2013 #15

ya, but each of us are certainly perfectly imperfect. seabeyond Apr 2013 #17

Wouldn't that be great BainsBane Apr 2013 #18

Have you seen the thread about Bernie Sanders chervilant Apr 2013 #19

That was disappointing. MadrasT Apr 2013 #21

The woman who attacked me just started chervilant Apr 2013 #22

Boo hoo. Got called out for using "tits" and "bimbo". MadrasT Apr 2013 #23

Yeah, but chervilant Apr 2013 #24

that's cause you keep your clothes on BainsBane Apr 2013 #25

AND, 'everyone' knows chervilant Apr 2013 #28

I wonder if I'd have more credibility BainsBane Apr 2013 #31

Oh, lord! chervilant Apr 2013 #33

that's a given BainsBane Apr 2013 #34

Feminists calling women bimbos... redqueen Apr 2013 #29

Will wonders never cease? chervilant Apr 2013 #20

I proposed a cease fire BainsBane Apr 2013 #26

Having witnessed chervilant Apr 2013 #27

I missed your OP BainsBane Apr 2013 #30

I haven't written it yet. chervilant Apr 2013 #32

if you're waiting for it to stop BainsBane Apr 2013 #35

I was referring to the unbridled chervilant Apr 2013 #36

that's how it always goes BainsBane Apr 2013 #37

My theory gaspee Apr 2013 #93

my explanation is simpler BainsBane Apr 2013 #97

I was going to go there gaspee Apr 2013 #101

i did it when i was younger. why would i want to be a part of the oppressed. then i grew up seabeyond Apr 2013 #103

That is what I find most perplexing BainsBane Apr 2013 #107

steinem quote i like. seabeyond Apr 2013 #109

Some people deal with gaspee Apr 2013 #91

WTF? BainsBane Apr 2013 #38

Like I said in another thread Texasgal Apr 2013 #39

I'd like to see someone BainsBane Apr 2013 #40

I don't know if that will even help Texasgal Apr 2013 #41

this whole thread. seabeyond Apr 2013 #42

Wow, yeah, I bet Putin surely changed his mind about whatever that day. redqueen Apr 2013 #43

The picture was hilarious *and* a perfect example of why Femen is utterly ridiculous. n/t MadrasT Apr 2013 #44

putin objectifying the woman, being the alpha male he is, giving femen what they want. seabeyond Apr 2013 #45

It just shows how ridiculous some persons reactions were to boston bean Apr 2013 #46

liten up. just a joke. ya... as it fuckin effects and impairs women, BUT seabeyond Apr 2013 #47

What is really stunning to me is the willful ignorance. redqueen Apr 2013 #56

I'm in this thread conversing now and it amazes me how all these people Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #49

they saw it before. they see it now. and they will see it next time. seabeyond Apr 2013 #53

It annoys me as a male I'm not sure how you deal with it Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #55

a lie. just another lie created. you have an issue with boobs. clearly, every post, seabeyond Apr 2013 #58

It's a tactic used to make objectors seem unhip, backward, and dare I say it... MadrasT Apr 2013 #59

It's not that you don't have to be antisex, etc., to think they're not effective; it's just that ancianita Nov 2013 #146

in the dark sigmasix Apr 2013 #83

The best explanation I've seen BainsBane Apr 2013 #84

Oh the irony.... MadrasT Apr 2013 #48

uh... I must be out of the loop boston bean Apr 2013 #50

I have no idea WTF he is talking about. MadrasT Apr 2013 #51

LOL! HAHAHAH! boston bean Apr 2013 #52

Well shit. MadrasT Apr 2013 #57

i even brought the wine. i was the only that showed. hence, .... all my wine induced posts the seabeyond Apr 2013 #60

It's my birthday. I might engage in some PUI later, LOL. MadrasT Apr 2013 #61

i will join you, i think. if pui means wine, lol seabeyond Apr 2013 #62

"Posting while Under the Influence" MadrasT Apr 2013 #63

I knew you were an arrogant bastard kinda gal... seabeyond Apr 2013 #64

not nearly as perilous BainsBane Apr 2013 #65

"project so far that their conclusion actually leaves the solar system" redqueen Apr 2013 #66

it would be interesting for skinner to let us know what group gets the most alerts. seabeyond Apr 2013 #54

The usual suspects in that thread wonderfully illustrating an obtus LanternWaste Apr 2013 #124

Our "allies" BainsBane Apr 2013 #67

Only one of them posted. DURHAM D Apr 2013 #68

Apparently. BainsBane Apr 2013 #73

So disgusted by that. TDale313 Apr 2013 #76

People can at least see their true colors. BainsBane Apr 2013 #78

Very true. n/t TDale313 Apr 2013 #80

stuff like this gets a pass mercuryblues Apr 2013 #69

But then this gets a 5-1 Hide DURHAM D Apr 2013 #70

Juror#6 is quoting from a movie musical about censorship Kurovski Jan 2014 #158

I have "tits" in my keyword trash list MadrasT Apr 2013 #71

this poster is having a good little hoot over this. what dinner skinner lecture whisp about? seabeyond Apr 2013 #74

Another good hide - 4-2 DURHAM D Apr 2013 #72

loved jury 6. i was curious about this one. i do not even bother. assuming they have consent to seabeyond Apr 2013 #75

I thought long and hard before I sent the alert DURHAM D Apr 2013 #79

The one that amazed me BainsBane Apr 2013 #82

That is a good one, and surprising BainsBane Apr 2013 #77

ya. this. lol. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #81

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #89

A good 6-0 Hide DURHAM D Apr 2013 #85

about time. boston bean Apr 2013 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Apr 2013 #86

Karl Rove does a jig each time we fan the flames of our internal discord. Divide and conquer, Exultant Democracy Apr 2013 #88

I am not sure I understand your post. DURHAM D Apr 2013 #90

Women vote for Democrats more reliably than men. redqueen Apr 2013 #92

I vote D in spite gaspee Apr 2013 #94

I've heard many feminists say that, where sexism and misogyny are concerned, redqueen Apr 2013 #95

To one group, we're private property, to the other, public. seabeyond Apr 2013 #99

I should give a hat tip to the many radical feminists redqueen Apr 2013 #105

yeh, that's a pointy one for sure. Whisp Apr 2013 #111

Pretty much exactly gaspee Apr 2013 #100

and THIS is why i love your voice and wanted to give you a shout out in the thread that was locked. seabeyond Apr 2013 #102

Please don't ever apologize for going off on riffs like that. redqueen Apr 2013 #106

Yep! I'm a radical feminist, too! Stay tough! It gets attention! ancianita Nov 2013 #148

Interesting point about presumed consent. Shivering Jemmy Apr 2013 #110

False dichotomy. redqueen Apr 2013 #113

I hear what you are saying Shivering Jemmy Apr 2013 #115

Exactly. redqueen Apr 2013 #116

Yes, yes, yes...and for reasons that have now disappeared from most males' consciousness. ancianita Nov 2013 #147

I like to think so, too. redqueen Nov 2013 #151

One thing I learned teaching hs, you need to realize that your influence ripples across people ancianita Nov 2013 #152

yup... man issue, not a party issue. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #98

mmmm. some man calling us a C word has nothing to do with it? nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #96

I‘ve not experienced it on the DU. I guess applegrove Apr 2013 #104

good for you. we were just called the c word today, and shrills. so we are not experiencing du seabeyond Apr 2013 #108

I trashed two threads last night ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #112

The endless flogging of one set of statistics about rape is enough reason to ignore. redqueen Apr 2013 #114

I read another view of the issue ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #117

You were so restrained BainsBane Apr 2013 #118

Hardly anyone is addressing that. redqueen Apr 2013 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Apr 2013 #119

A very revealing juror comment.... hlthe2b Apr 2013 #120

isnt that interesting. and yes, i have heard this excuse used for sexist slurs. but wow. thanks seabeyond May 2013 #125

Now we don't have a rape culture BainsBane Apr 2013 #121

Thanks for this! I have been getting kind of depressed about this shit lately. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #123

Man, you chicks really got your panties in a bunch now, don't ya? Bennyboy May 2013 #126

Another batch of noxious examples this week. nt redqueen May 2013 #127

I was booted from a thread on masculinity... Gravitycollapse May 2013 #128

This is not a meant to be reincarnation of Meta. IMO your comment doesn't belong here. MadrasT May 2013 #129

i just saw the Op. i am not gonna do the little dance for him, he is demanding of us. seabeyond May 2013 #130

Isn't there an approach to these claims of essentialism that doesn't just depend on consensus or ancianita Nov 2013 #149

Here is another example: boston bean May 2013 #131

LOL... my god they are such cowardly little shitpebbles! redqueen May 2013 #132

there is a newbie poster in there that does not sound progressive, nor they belong on du. seabeyond May 2013 #134

i think administration would tell us, this is all in our head. really, there are not these obsessed seabeyond May 2013 #133

Wow. ancianita Nov 2013 #150

TIL that women's boobs are analogous to cars at a car show. redqueen May 2013 #135

"Misandry" BainsBane May 2013 #136

This thread in GD is full of it. redqueen Jun 2013 #137

I'm a little bit confused about all the alerts I've seen here lately. Lunacee_2013 Jun 2013 #138

TIL: Only female parents influence their daughters' clothing choices. redqueen Jun 2013 #139

whores, sluts, hookers, streetwalkers... people are having a fucking field day in GD redqueen Jun 2013 #140

Some thinly-veiled misogyny in GD about Carlson and Hasslebeck NuclearDem Jul 2013 #141

First jury service on gender under the new rules was a success BainsBane Sep 2013 #142

Oh my god. What thought process could have decided it would be cool to post that OP? Squinch Sep 2013 #143

OMG - trigger warning?!? mzteris Mar 2014 #161

This shows how little women are valued BainsBane Sep 2013 #144

Thought you might be interested in this. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #145

good idea. Sheri Nov 2013 #153

Welcome to HoF. Hope to see you around! boston bean Nov 2013 #155

thanks for the welcome. Sheri Nov 2013 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Nov 2013 #154

Yet another honest post hidden by MRA trolls. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #157

That this post of mine was alerted on BainsBane Mar 2014 #159

... redqueen Mar 2014 #160

holy smoley mercuryblues Apr 2014 #162

Just got jury duty intaglio May 2014 #163

In the Willow Smith posing with a guy on a bed thread intaglio May 2014 #164

If you want to counter sexism on DU, just go over to GD where whathehell May 2014 #165

I don't know whether I'm more disgusted or discouraged theHandpuppet May 2014 #166

Yep BainsBane Jun 2014 #167

what is the point of discussing sexism and misogyny among the people who experience it? ellenrr Jul 2014 #168

Jeezil Pete, what's with all the woman-bashing trolls lately? theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #169

In a thread about why some men rent prostitutes, redqueen Aug 2014 #170

Another person spouting MRA foolishness intaglio Aug 2014 #171

A DUer tells me feminists cause sex crimes because they repress sexuality. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #172

Any Assange thread... YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #173

Apparently "Sparkle Pussy" is an acceptable insult. redqueen Nov 2023 #174

It's fine to insult women by insinuating they're strippers redqueen Nov 2023 #175

I've never felt any misogyny on DU. MOMFUDSKI Nov 2023 #176

The b word is still acceptable to juries, and apparently so is calling a woman a "mattress" redqueen Nov 2023 #177