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Warren Stupidity

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Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:51 AM Apr 2015

Are Scientific And Religious Explanations Incompatible? [View all]


This final idea brings us to the second prong of my distinction. Let's move away from scientific and religious explanations, and instead consider explanatory practices in science and religion. For example, what counts as evidence for a scientific explanation versus a religious explanation? What would lead you to revise a scientific explanation versus a religious explanation?

When we shift our focus to the practice of generating, evaluating, endorsing, and revising explanations, then I think the answer is "no" — scientific and religious explanatory practices are not compatible. That's because it's a hallmark of scientific explanations that they're responsive to evidence, and as a result, they can change over time. To the extent that religious explanations aren't similarly responsive to evidence, then there's a very basic incompatibility that won't be easy to reconcile.

This is one reason Dawkins is so hostile to reconciliation. Speaking at a debate in 2007, he warned: "If we are too friendly to nice, decent bishops, we run the risk of buying into the fiction that there's something virtuous about believing things because of faith rather than because of evidence. We run the risk of betraying scientific enlightenment."

Could religious explanatory practice change? That is, could religious explanations become appropriately responsive to evidence?

I think this is possible. But what we'd end up with would look very different from mainstream religion today. In this "defeasible" religion, religious explanations would answer to science, and they would change over time.


http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2015/04/13/399309391/are-scientific-and-religious-explanations-incompatible

I started out thinking this was going to be yet another apologetic for why we should all just have a group hug and sing kumbaya around the campfire, but then Tania Lombrozo got all interesting about this well worn subject.
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Her proposal looks a lot like "God of the gaps". (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #1
interesting, I don't find that in her text at all. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #4
Well, what happens when you "disprove" a chunk of the religion? jeff47 Apr 2015 #5
that isn't a god of the gaps argument. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #7
Except science never just leaves it at "I dunno" jeff47 Apr 2015 #10
again, diminishing "unknowns" is not essential to a gaps argument. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #12
Really. God creates the sun with a wave of his hand. jeff47 Apr 2015 #17
Again the point is that all that is required is a gap, not diminishing nor increasing gaps. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #19
That's because you appear to not want to think about changes over time. jeff47 Apr 2015 #20
I have a problem with the use of "Religious Explanation." cleanhippie Apr 2015 #2
Exactly what I was going to say. bvf Apr 2015 #6
explanations of values are difficult to put into a scientific framework. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #8
You beat me to it. Religion does not "explain" Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #9
explain "the good" using science. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #13
"the good" is Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #14
seriously? And how did you arrive at that ethical edict? Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #15
In the long run Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #16
Fine, but again if our species "benefits" from the wholesale slaughter of other species, Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #18
Short run "benefit" is not long range survival. Therefore, Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #21
In the specific example, according to you, it would be good to slaughter all anglo-saxons Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #24
There's no point in my responding Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #28
Your words: Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #31
Let's discuss something more productive. So, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? n/t Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #32
"the good" AlbertCat Apr 2015 #22
"It is made by the interactions of neurons in the brain" - is not an explanation of "the good" Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #23
a testable model that can be verified through repeatable experimentation. AlbertCat Apr 2015 #25
The problem here edhopper Apr 2015 #27
sure. But there is an entire 2500 year history of ethical philosophy Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #29
Replace "Religious" with "Philosophical" edhopper Apr 2015 #30
There has been nothing in human history that has required a supernatual explanation. Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #3
Nothing shuts down scientific inquiry Warpy Apr 2015 #11
I think examples of both edhopper Apr 2015 #26
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