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wnylib

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28. You are right IMO regarding people
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 10:21 PM
Oct 2019

developing belief systems. I was merely describing some thst I'm familiar with regarding the predestination that was mentioned in the OP.

As to your question, I think we see in the US today that people's beliefs can make a great difference in our lives as they influence people's politics and social activism. Churches were and still are a community center for activism in civil rights, especially among African Americans. Religious beliefs are associated with Native American ecological preservation. Libersl Christian and Jewish groups are taking active roles in the humanitarian issues of migrants and refugees.

Many agnostics or atheists have well grounded ethics and values that they follow - integrity, compassion and kindness, a sense of right and wrong, of justice and personal and social responsibility. I admire their honesty about what they do not or can not believe and respect their rights on that.

Some people OTOH need or prefer religious beliefs in their lives. In religion they find paths of spiritual growth and a grounding for their moral values as well as hope, comfort, and strength in hard times. Who am I - or any of us - to tell them what to believe or not believe so long as they accept the rights of others who do not share their beliefs? Yeah, there are people whose beliefs are harmful or intolersnt and they need pushback IMO.

But I find it petty and childish that some people need to ridicule all religions or religious people across the board simply because they have a religious faith.

I grew up in a church-going family and was taught the Christian beliefs in our denomination. I attended church as an adult off and on, sometimes regularly and sometimes not so much. I went through a long period of agnosticism.

But I attend church now for a variety of reasons. One is probably my early life exposure to religion influencing me in that direction for spirituality. But my perspective also changed and grew. I look beyond literalism to spiritual meanings in sacred stories, doctrines, and symbols. I find guidance and self reflection for personal growth through meditation and discussions. I've found a liberal church that I feel compatible with. It gives me opportunities to give back to society through community service programs. It also gives me a place to meet regularly with positive minded people in a less than positive minded world.

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This is the way Google defines it. Tobin S. May 2018 #2
First part maybe zipplewrath May 2018 #3
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Close zipplewrath May 2018 #7
Sam Harris think it would lead to a more compassionate society. Tobin S. May 2018 #13
I have no view zipplewrath May 2018 #19
Behaviorism is a very limiting approach to understanding human behavior. Nitram May 2018 #11
The concept of free will is anathema to any belief in an all-knowing/all-powerful deity malchickiwick May 2018 #4
Indeed, if god knows everything that will happen... FiveGoodMen May 2018 #6
Five, that assumes god is a being like you or me. I assume if god exists, s/he is so complex we Nitram May 2018 #10
There are many Christian denominations that have denied an autonomous free will standingtall May 2018 #8
Do you think that hell exists? Tobin S. May 2018 #14
Yes I think hell exist and also I think if God truly loves everyone standingtall May 2018 #17
I agree that those who believe consciousness is an illusion are mistaken. Nitram May 2018 #9
I'm a trucker not a philosopher :) Tobin S. May 2018 #15
Well, Tobin, you chose one of the really big ideas to grapple with this time. Nitram May 2018 #16
I'm not sure what "consciousness is an illusion" actually means. Jim__ May 2018 #12
To me, the phrase "made in the image and likeness" guillaumeb May 2018 #18
Please alway be clear about which Lutherans you are referring to. efhmc Jul 2018 #20
We are engaging freely on this topic. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #21
Fee will and consciousness standhero Jan 2019 #22
Putting your "first offering" in a thread from last May is rzemanfl Jan 2019 #23
Lao Tzu being Confucius' teacher is quite a trick too, since Lao died about 20 years before. FSogol Jan 2019 #24
Although this is an old thread the topic wnylib Oct 2019 #25
What difference does it make?The sun will come up on Monday and the rode to work will be full wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #26
You are right IMO regarding people wnylib Oct 2019 #28
We do not have free will. We only have allowed will. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #27
You said wnylib Oct 2019 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #30
You must mean Missouri Synod Lutherans. efhmc Feb 2020 #31
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