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Dorian Gray

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46. Yes... The church needs to give any and all information

Mon Nov 18, 2019, 05:59 AM

Nov 2019

they have to outside law enforcement officials. Because any self-investigation looks like self-preservation. It's terrible.

I don't fully trust law enforcement to dole out justice for forty year old crimes, but at least they're independent and not self-serving.

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Bishop Named by Pope to Investigate Abuse is Accused Himself [View all] Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 OP

Like the accused barr investigating abuse of any kind empedocles Nov 2019 #1

The depth and breadth of this scandal is remarkable. MineralMan Nov 2019 #2

It's incredible. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #4

Clearly, it is the second thing. MineralMan Nov 2019 #5

"It cannot be fixed from inside the organization" trotsky Nov 2019 #8

In many ways, the RCC is organized perfectly for MineralMan Nov 2019 #11

Then again, maybe they are taking the Sgt. Stedenko approach Major Nikon Nov 2019 #6

Yes... The church needs to give any and all information Dorian Gray Nov 2019 #46

But can we really be surprised anymore? trotsky Nov 2019 #3

I'm shocked. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #7

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? guillaumeb Nov 2019 #9

You and David Brooks should go bowling. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #10

Does he cheat when scoring? eom guillaumeb Nov 2019 #14

Only if both sides can do it. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #16

One can be a watcher and/or the watched. In many cases MineralMan Nov 2019 #12

And pedohpiles, being predators, tend to go where the prey exists. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #13

Yes, and...? MineralMan Nov 2019 #15

Institutions protect their own. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #17

And corrupt institutions protect corruption. MineralMan Nov 2019 #18

All such corrupt institutions? guillaumeb Nov 2019 #19

Bye, now... MineralMan Nov 2019 #21

Always best to leave when you cannot answer. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #22

Nope. I leave when the logic of the argument is absent. MineralMan Nov 2019 #23

Then in that spirit, delete your reply #18. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #24

What about, what about, what about!!! nt. Mariana Nov 2019 #28

Are you denying that child abuse exists there? guillaumeb Nov 2019 #31

And being an institution tha exists solely edhopper Nov 2019 #35

All humans are fallible. Even me. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #37

I didn't say it was edhopper Nov 2019 #38

And yet the RCC situation is unique. trotsky Nov 2019 #25

It is not uniquely a safe haven for pedophiles. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #26

What about, what about, what about, what about, what about !!! nt. Mariana Nov 2019 #29

Well that is an astoundingly dim argument. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #30

If the oversight were effective, guillaumeb Nov 2019 #32

As I said, astoundingly dim. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #33

Astoundingly dim is avoiding the obvious. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #34

You do realize no one is saying abuse is unique to the RCC. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #39

"The religion of the abusers... is of no consequence to the abused child." trotsky Nov 2019 #41

mind boggling. edhopper Nov 2019 #36

But is it really? trotsky Nov 2019 #42

Yep edhopper Nov 2019 #43

It is unique in its size and philosophy, which enables and protects the abusers. trotsky Nov 2019 #40

A philosophy of child abuse? guillaumeb Nov 2019 #44

Don't be disingenuous. trotsky Nov 2019 #48

Every institution is unique. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #51

Quit trying to change the subject. trotsky Nov 2019 #54

It is you who prefer to severly limit the discussion so you can "prove" guillaumeb Nov 2019 #56

"Severly (sic) limit the discussion"? trotsky Nov 2019 #57

Sigh... Dorian Gray Nov 2019 #47

Exactly. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #49

While I agree with your comments, guillaumeb Nov 2019 #50

I never said uniquely culpable. But when in discussion with the abuse Dorian Gray Nov 2019 #52

The reference was not to your own comments. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #53

Thank you for calling out his whataboutism attempts. n/t trotsky Nov 2019 #55

Business as usual at the Vatican. Nitram Nov 2019 #20

Wow. It seems as if Sky Daddy can't keep his people or 'instrument' on Earth... NeoGreen Nov 2019 #27

I live in BK Dorian Gray Nov 2019 #45