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Voltaire2

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30. Well that is an astoundingly dim argument.

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 06:31 PM

Nov 2019

Much abuse occurs in the family, which exists worldwide and has no effective secular oversight.

Let’s start with families not having effective secular oversight. There most certainly is oversight of families, in particular with respect to sexual and physical child abuse, in just about every developed nation. In most countries an allegation of child abuse will be taken very seriously by the relevant secular authorities and acted on quickly. If the preliminary investigation indicates that the allegation has a basis in fact, steps are taken to protect the children and a criminal investigation is conducted.

What secular authorities don’t do is appoint one of the parents to investigate the other.

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Bishop Named by Pope to Investigate Abuse is Accused Himself [View all] Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 OP

Like the accused barr investigating abuse of any kind empedocles Nov 2019 #1

The depth and breadth of this scandal is remarkable. MineralMan Nov 2019 #2

It's incredible. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #4

Clearly, it is the second thing. MineralMan Nov 2019 #5

"It cannot be fixed from inside the organization" trotsky Nov 2019 #8

In many ways, the RCC is organized perfectly for MineralMan Nov 2019 #11

Then again, maybe they are taking the Sgt. Stedenko approach Major Nikon Nov 2019 #6

Yes... The church needs to give any and all information Dorian Gray Nov 2019 #46

But can we really be surprised anymore? trotsky Nov 2019 #3

I'm shocked. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #7

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? guillaumeb Nov 2019 #9

You and David Brooks should go bowling. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #10

Does he cheat when scoring? eom guillaumeb Nov 2019 #14

Only if both sides can do it. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #16

One can be a watcher and/or the watched. In many cases MineralMan Nov 2019 #12

And pedohpiles, being predators, tend to go where the prey exists. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #13

Yes, and...? MineralMan Nov 2019 #15

Institutions protect their own. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #17

And corrupt institutions protect corruption. MineralMan Nov 2019 #18

All such corrupt institutions? guillaumeb Nov 2019 #19

Bye, now... MineralMan Nov 2019 #21

Always best to leave when you cannot answer. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #22

Nope. I leave when the logic of the argument is absent. MineralMan Nov 2019 #23

Then in that spirit, delete your reply #18. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #24

What about, what about, what about!!! nt. Mariana Nov 2019 #28

Are you denying that child abuse exists there? guillaumeb Nov 2019 #31

And being an institution tha exists solely edhopper Nov 2019 #35

All humans are fallible. Even me. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #37

I didn't say it was edhopper Nov 2019 #38

And yet the RCC situation is unique. trotsky Nov 2019 #25

It is not uniquely a safe haven for pedophiles. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #26

What about, what about, what about, what about, what about !!! nt. Mariana Nov 2019 #29

Well that is an astoundingly dim argument. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #30

If the oversight were effective, guillaumeb Nov 2019 #32

As I said, astoundingly dim. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #33

Astoundingly dim is avoiding the obvious. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #34

You do realize no one is saying abuse is unique to the RCC. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #39

"The religion of the abusers... is of no consequence to the abused child." trotsky Nov 2019 #41

mind boggling. edhopper Nov 2019 #36

But is it really? trotsky Nov 2019 #42

Yep edhopper Nov 2019 #43

It is unique in its size and philosophy, which enables and protects the abusers. trotsky Nov 2019 #40

A philosophy of child abuse? guillaumeb Nov 2019 #44

Don't be disingenuous. trotsky Nov 2019 #48

Every institution is unique. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #51

Quit trying to change the subject. trotsky Nov 2019 #54

It is you who prefer to severly limit the discussion so you can "prove" guillaumeb Nov 2019 #56

"Severly (sic) limit the discussion"? trotsky Nov 2019 #57

Sigh... Dorian Gray Nov 2019 #47

Exactly. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #49

While I agree with your comments, guillaumeb Nov 2019 #50

I never said uniquely culpable. But when in discussion with the abuse Dorian Gray Nov 2019 #52

The reference was not to your own comments. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #53

Thank you for calling out his whataboutism attempts. n/t trotsky Nov 2019 #55

Business as usual at the Vatican. Nitram Nov 2019 #20

Wow. It seems as if Sky Daddy can't keep his people or 'instrument' on Earth... NeoGreen Nov 2019 #27

I live in BK Dorian Gray Nov 2019 #45