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trotsky

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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:24 AM Apr 2019

China and the Catholic Church -- Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow [View all]

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/china-and-the-catholic-church-yesterday-today-and-tomorrow

...The Vatican had hoped that the September agreement with China would pave the way to greater unity between the underground Catholic Church (recognized by Rome but apparently still illegal in China) and the state-sponsored Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association.

Among the provisions of the agreement made public, Pope Francis has recognized seven Chinese bishops illicitly but validly consecrated and appointed them to dioceses in China. The Pope and the Chinese government both recognize all bishops currently appointed in China.

...The history of the Church in China reveals both promise and frustration, and the current relations between China and the Church seem to pick up where the Christian missionaries of the eighth, 10th and 17th century left off — with an intricate dance of clashing cultures and heightened concern for the tensions between the Church and the Chinese government.

...“Anything that is not completely registered with the Chinese government is deemed an illicit activity,” said (Steven) Mosher (president of the Population Research Council), who in 1979 became the first American social scientist since the Cultural Revolution to be granted permission to conduct anthropological research in mainland China. “The punishment for such activity is to have your money confiscated, the building you’re operating in confiscated or torn down, and to have the leaders of that illicit activity arrested.”


The whole article is kind of long and does a pretty good job summarizing the history of the RCC in China. Ignorant, agenda-driven statements like "the Chinese government persecutes theists" clearly fail to portray the actual situation in China. Theists and atheists who pose no threat to the state are not persecuted. Theists and atheists who do, are. Belief in gods has far less to do with what's going on there than does opposition to the goals and power of the government.
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The RCC considers itself to be superior in all things. MineralMan Apr 2019 #1
Correct, this is a deep cultural conflict. trotsky Apr 2019 #2
which, ironically enough, is the demonstrated pattern of the current guillaumeb Apr 2019 #4
China has its own culture. MineralMan Apr 2019 #5
A "culture" of intolerance? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #8
Oh, dear... MineralMan Apr 2019 #12
Someone has. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #13
Concentration camps that "just happen" to only contain theists guillaumeb Apr 2019 #3
It is clear you did not read the article. trotsky Apr 2019 #6
I am sorry that your article does not support what you want it to do. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #10
From your article: guillaumeb Apr 2019 #14
Yes but that doesn't support your claim. trotsky Apr 2019 #18
And, there was this, from well into the article: guillaumeb Apr 2019 #15
Yes, but that also does not support your claim. trotsky Apr 2019 #19
A new strategy? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #23
Nope, same strategy I've always used with you. trotsky Apr 2019 #29
Not so much misinformed as duplicitous Major Nikon Apr 2019 #16
Deliberate muddying of the waters. trotsky Apr 2019 #20
And somehow Chinese atheists persecuting people is a "counterpoint" to RCC priests raping children Major Nikon Apr 2019 #21
Another old, and unsubstantiated, accusation. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #26
No you admitted it yourself. trotsky Apr 2019 #31
Yawn. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #34
What is that supposed to mean? n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #39
Really? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #41
Yes, explain your attempted smear. n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #45
Ad hominem, obviously Major Nikon Apr 2019 #44
It's not as if the duplicity is that hard to prove Major Nikon Apr 2019 #43
It's nice he helps discredit himself so much. n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #47
"Hyperbolic" concentration camps? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #22
Are you calling me a liar? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #24
Well g, let's look at the evidence. trotsky Apr 2019 #33
Still waiting. n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #48
Still waiting. n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #51
It is so very easy to ignore repression and intolerance from a place of privilege. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #36
...said the religious believer, without a hint of awareness about the irony. n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #40
Are you unaware of your own western privilege? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #42
#Whataboutism n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #46
Avoidance. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #49
Yes, that's what you use whataboutism for. trotsky Apr 2019 #50
I wonder if they are similar to the labor camps the Spanish MineralMan Apr 2019 #7
Whataboutism? eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #9
Nope. MineralMan Apr 2019 #11
Thank you! Duppers Apr 2019 #17
And have you researched the concentration camps fror Uighurs? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #25
Are you fluent in those languages? MineralMan Apr 2019 #27
Are you the person who wrote the response? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #28
It's a public forum. It's a public thread. I post as I please here. MineralMan Apr 2019 #30
So copying your own response to me was wrong? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #35
No. I was asking you the same question you asked MineralMan Apr 2019 #37
The other person made a statement. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #38
Ooh here's another response of yours to bookmark. trotsky Apr 2019 #32
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