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IndianaDave

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26. Actually, they do, and I'm sorry I haven't explained it fully or clearly.

Wed Apr 3, 2019, 03:07 PM

Apr 2019

They distinguish between science and faith. They are not at all the same thing. They teach evolution - period. In an entirely different class, they teach about the existence of the soul. They also teach mathematics. And in a different class, they teach about Jesus. They teach geography. And in a different class they teach about moral decisions.

To reiterate - They do not conflate science and faith. They are each treated separately. There is no Christian evolution. It's just evolution. It is indistinguishable from the evolution as taught in any other school or university. Really.

Sorry to drone on, but this is a really important reality. Thanks for your patience.

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NIH Director Francis Collins on why Christians must reconcile with science [View all] guillaumeb Apr 2019 OP

"Christians must reconcile with science" trotsky Apr 2019 #1

I suggest that you read the article. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #2

I read the article. The quote is FROM the articcle. trotsky Apr 2019 #5

Are you actually alleging he didn't actually read his own OP Major Nikon Apr 2019 #28

I was gonna let it hang there for it to dawn on him. trotsky Apr 2019 #31

There is nothing anti-science about that sentence. It simply refers to things like saying pnwmom Apr 2019 #51

Logic and reason say that a man cannot be actually dead for 3 days and come back to life. trotsky Apr 2019 #53

And the Roman Catholic Church would say that statement is absolutely true. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #61

Then I guess your god doesn't want you to use logic and reason after all. trotsky Apr 2019 #62

It's just saying that religious belief is by definition a matter of faith -- not logic or reason. pnwmom Apr 2019 #63

OK n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #64

Most Mainline Churches Have Already Reconciled With Science IndianaDave Apr 2019 #3

Hello, Indiana Dave. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #4

Hi there, guilluameb! IndianaDave Apr 2019 #24

Not really. trotsky Apr 2019 #6

Their Teaching is that When Our Hominid Ancestors Became Highly Developed IndianaDave Apr 2019 #10

But that's not evolution. trotsky Apr 2019 #12

I respectfully Disagree IndianaDave Apr 2019 #18

It's great they teach evolution. trotsky Apr 2019 #23

Actually, they do, and I'm sorry I haven't explained it fully or clearly. IndianaDave Apr 2019 #26

They still insist that their god intervened to do something that evolution couldn't... trotsky Apr 2019 #27

This is just one of those cases where we can agree to disagree. IndianaDave Apr 2019 #32

No, I don't agree to disagree. Sorry. trotsky Apr 2019 #33

No offense taken. I still disagree with you, but I respect your right to express your convictions. IndianaDave Apr 2019 #38

Not a conviction, a fact. n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #44

That is not the teaching of all mainstream Christian denominations. MineralMan Apr 2019 #13

It isn't a scientific concept and the Church doesn't pretend that it is. it's a religious concept. pnwmom Apr 2019 #52

Yet by stating it, they admit they do not find the theory of evolution to be sufficient... trotsky Apr 2019 #54

Not true. The theory of evolution doesn't try to explain what was or what happened before pnwmom Apr 2019 #55

But this "ensoulment" thing happens long after the origin of life itself. trotsky Apr 2019 #56

The Church teaches that the soul is separate and distinct from the body, so its existence is a pnwmom Apr 2019 #57

Yes, I know what your church teaches. And it's not scientific. trotsky Apr 2019 #58

At least half of US Christians subscribe to young earth creationism Major Nikon Apr 2019 #29

Ironically, the RCC has EVOLVED in its understanding and teaching. IndianaDave Apr 2019 #36

I'm not so sure that was his point Major Nikon Apr 2019 #40

I'm not sure where to begin. I don't know for whom it would be providing "cover." IndianaDave Apr 2019 #41

You are misrepresenting the official RCC position Major Nikon Apr 2019 #42

Interestingly enough, Science does quite nicely without religion. MineralMan Apr 2019 #7

And when you find those scientifically provable answers, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #8

I don't need to, Monsieur B. MineralMan Apr 2019 #9

I don't think anyone is asking science to adapt to religion IndianaDave Apr 2019 #14

Nor did I suggest that. MineralMan Apr 2019 #16

OK. IndianaDave Apr 2019 #19

Not so much "reconcile", as "defer to", IMO Ron Obvious Apr 2019 #11

Oh, look Francis Collins. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #15

While you're there, could you pray for me? MineralMan Apr 2019 #17

Turns out there's no service on Wednesday afternoon. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #20

Oh, well... MineralMan Apr 2019 #21

You can't download ball gags and brownie mix, MM. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #22

Amazon, Sir. I give you Amazon. MineralMan Apr 2019 #25

Same day drones. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #50

What do you mean no wednesday service? Lordquinton Apr 2019 #30

Usually, though, Wednesday Bible study is in the evening. MineralMan Apr 2019 #37

I guess I'm used to living near retirement communities Lordquinton Apr 2019 #39

Fine, you got me. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #45

Careful, MineralMan. Mariana Apr 2019 #34

I'm not bothered. MineralMan Apr 2019 #35

Collins is a blasphemer; he has to go. Permanut Apr 2019 #43

Yes, there is that viewpoint. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #47

This is so much BS edhopper Apr 2019 #46

I for one am glad he's saying these things. MarvinGardens Apr 2019 #48

An excellent reply. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #49

The physicist known as the Father of the Big Bang Theory was a Roman Catholic priest. pnwmom Apr 2019 #59

Yes he was. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #65

I'm all for educating people in a non-contentious way... Girard442 Apr 2019 #60

Some do, that is true. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #66