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guillaumeb

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Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:23 PM Mar 2019

What is the role of inspiration in the Bible? [View all]


Nahmanides was a Spanish Talmudist, Kabbalist and biblical commentator (1194-1270), known, after the initial letters of his name, as Ramban (Rabbi Moshe ben Nahman).


Nahmanides said, speaking of creation:

At the briefest instant following creation all the matter of the universe was concentrated in a very small place, no larger than a grain of mustard. The matter at this time was so thin, so intangible, that it did not have real substance. It did have, however, a potential to gain substance and form and to become tangible matter. From the initial concentration of this intangible substance in its minute location, the substance expanded, expanding the universe as it did so. As the expansion progressed, a change in the substance occurred. This initially thin noncorporeal substance took on the tangible aspects of matter as we know it. From this initial act of creation, from this ethereally thin pseudosubstance, everything that has existed, or will ever exist, was, is, and will be formed.


Metaphoric language, but remarkably like the 20th century Big Bang hypothesis from a 12th century Rabbi.


According to Stephen Hawking, this original, primordial speck is called a singularity, with infinite energy pulling in upon itself, not allowing any energy to escape. This was the ultimate “black hole.” This was considered a monumental discovery, but something that we have known, although not totally understood, from Torah literature for thousands of years!
One thing Hawking does not explain is how the Big Bang was possible. If there is an infinite amount of energy holding the singularity together, from whence is the even greater energy to pull it apart?!
He indeed does say that until after the point of the Big Bang, all science and mathematics breaks down, and time and science have their beginnings only after the Big Bang. Our answer to all this is that the Creator, who was the architect of the very concept of infinity, had the energy beyond infinity to bring about the Big Bang.
As science progresses, we see much more clearly how the physical world and the spiritual world of Torah are one.


https://www.aish.com/atr/Creation-and-The-Big-Bang.html

So was Nahmanides' idea the product of insight, or inspiration?

In the creation story of Genesis, we are told that Adam and Eve were the first 2 humans. And read literally, it is inconsistent with science.

But if the names Adam and Eve translate into earth and life. we have life coming from the earth.

We are told that God took 1 rib from Adam and created Eve, thus Adam was missing a rib. Clearly men and women have the same number of ribs, and even Bronze Age humans knew that, so what is the underlying meaning?

One possibility:

Men are XY, and women are XX. The Y has one less "rib", or leg, than does the X.

So is this insight, or inspiration?



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Whatever an individual chooses to assign it. Thomas Hurt Mar 2019 #1
An interesting answer. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #9
Its role is to be suppressed hurl Mar 2019 #2
In the 12th century, Nahmanides provided an explanation that is remarkably guillaumeb Mar 2019 #10
It's making connections where there are none. marylandblue Mar 2019 #3
The role of metaphoric language in the Bible. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #11
Now you are avoiding connections where they exist marylandblue Mar 2019 #16
There was no field of physics. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #17
No field of physics? What's this? marylandblue Mar 2019 #33
Get out of here with your facts! trotsky Mar 2019 #22
I swear, I only meant them as metaphors for other facts. marylandblue Mar 2019 #34
That's better! n/t trotsky Mar 2019 #36
Neither Lordquinton Mar 2019 #4
What's additionally upsetting is by doing this, guillaumeb is reinforcing sexist stereotypes... trotsky Mar 2019 #7
A very weak attempt at framing. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #15
The truth hurts, I understand. trotsky Mar 2019 #20
Yep Lordquinton Mar 2019 #21
XX/XY guillaumeb Mar 2019 #12
Wrong then and wrong now Lordquinton Mar 2019 #18
Argue with science. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #23
I don't have to argue with science Lordquinton Mar 2019 #40
Oh man you're still on that XY thing? trotsky Mar 2019 #5
"Nahmanides said, speaking of creation:" MineralMan Mar 2019 #6
Interestring that his speculation was so accurate. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #14
How is that interesting? MineralMan Mar 2019 #39
Metaphor. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #44
Your understanding of biology and sex chromosomes is laughably weak. trotsky Mar 2019 #8
Read: guillaumeb Mar 2019 #13
Sexist transphobic bullshit is not welcome here, g. trotsky Mar 2019 #19
Refute it. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #24
Refute what? trotsky Mar 2019 #25
Refute this actual science: guillaumeb Mar 2019 #26
The actual science is what refutes YOU. trotsky Mar 2019 #27
Unfortunately for your attempted point, guillaumeb Mar 2019 #29
Only you could argue with yourself and call it a victory. trotsky Mar 2019 #32
You seem to be ignoring intersex and androgen insensitivity. marylandblue Mar 2019 #35
So you artgue for a puppet master type god. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #43
No, that is the God presented in the Bible. marylandblue Mar 2019 #45
Adam and Eve were free to eat the apple. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #46
Speaking of a cruel and capricious universe marylandblue Mar 2019 #49
Do you argue for a sentient universe? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #51
No, I argue that God is a metaphor. marylandblue Mar 2019 #52
Interesting. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #54
I have faith that it is also your view. marylandblue Mar 2019 #61
I respect your faith based observation. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #66
No creator is required at all. MineralMan Mar 2019 #57
What constitutes evidence in the absence of knowledge of the Creator's nature? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #58
I don't know, Monsieur B. MineralMan Mar 2019 #59
But Trotsky Lordquinton Mar 2019 #42
If God we're said to have created Eve from Adam's little finger... FBaggins Mar 2019 #28
That also would argue for a metaphoric reading of the story. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #30
No it wouldn't FBaggins Mar 2019 #31
Metaphor is not a license to make interpretations wildly at variance marylandblue Mar 2019 #37
And not only is your science atrocious bullshit, your metaphor is as well. trotsky Mar 2019 #38
Genesis is arguably the worst part of the bible Lordquinton Mar 2019 #41
Misframing, part 2. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #48
QED Lordquinton Mar 2019 #62
Misframing, part 1 guillaumeb Mar 2019 #47
It's not a misframe. The story actually justifies patriarchical oppression marylandblue Mar 2019 #50
Or, it explains the family dynamic of Bronze Age humans. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #53
Yes, another one of nature's cruel ironies. marylandblue Mar 2019 #55
Very astute observation. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #56
Non-response, part 1593 from you. trotsky Mar 2019 #63
The ancient Indians spoke of the Unity of Creation thousands of years before. Their teachings c-rational Mar 2019 #60
I would never say that the Creator can only be found in the wrods of the Bible. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #68
G., I never mentioned a Creator, only Unity and Creation. c-rational Mar 2019 #81
True. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #82
God writes in English? edhopper Mar 2019 #64
But of course. English IS the language of the gods. MineralMan Mar 2019 #65
Well, we know edhopper Mar 2019 #67
Of course they did! MineralMan Mar 2019 #70
I write in English. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #69
But the story of Adam and Eve edhopper Mar 2019 #71
An interesting question. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #73
That is such a stretch edhopper Mar 2019 #75
No doubt. You are bilingual. MineralMan Mar 2019 #72
Google translate is an incredible resource. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #74
It is. However, poorly written original MineralMan Mar 2019 #76
As you well know, english speakers generally use very few verb forms when speaking. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #77
Yes. I'm always conscious of that when I write for translation MineralMan Mar 2019 #78
Here's a sentence in English I tested in a Google translation to French: MineralMan Mar 2019 #79
Excellent example. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #80
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