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guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 02:46 PM Jan 2019

Child rape apologia. A brutal accusation to make. [View all]

I posted an article, and the following 3 edited accusations were made that the article is actually a form of child rape apologia.

Major Nikon (30,905 posts)
7. Kinda fucked up to suggest religion has no role to play

Child rape apologia has no place here. Not anywhere else for that matter.



Response to guillaumeb (Reply #98)
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:31 AM
Major Nikon (30,905 posts)
120. Another article from the exact same RCC sponsored child rape apologist

So it looks like you are at least 2 for 2 in cheering on child rape apologists, Gil. Good job.



Response to guillaumeb (Reply #122)
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 12:19 PM
Major Nikon (30,905 posts)
124. Yeah, my tactic is to call out child rape apologia when I see it

While yours is to regurgitate and defend it.

And yes, Gil. We do need more at least so long as the child rape apologists continue to rush to the defense of child rapists and their enablers. Very telling you'd think otherwise.



All of the above accusations from this post:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218304980

Now, from the actual article:

Because of the failure of Catholic bishops in the past to report abusive priests to authorities, states are now also including Catholic clergy as mandatory reporters.

Most bishops do not oppose making Catholic clergymen mandatory reporters except when it comes to what a priest hears in the sacrament of confession.

This confidentiality of confession was respected by Western nations for centuries, considering it on a par with client-attorney confidentiality. Note that no state is proposing that lawyers be mandatory reporters of what they learn about sexual abuse from their clients.

Because laws vary from state to state, we need to have a national conversation over disclosure laws with input from victims, legal scholars and those covered.

And while everyone would agree that the abuse of a child should be reported, what if the information comes from an adult survivor who does not want the crime reported?

Priests, like psychologists and psychiatrists, should be covered by mandatory reporting rules with an exemption for confession, but there needs to be a serious discussion of exactly what should be covered. In these discussions the victims should have a prominent role.


So we have, in order:

A recognition that the RCC has failed in not reporting, and

most Bishops support mandatory reporting, with a proviso, and


the abuse of a child should be reported, and


Priests should be covered, again with a proviso for confession.



How anyone can reasonably infer that the author is a rape apologist is beyond me. This is an open acknowlegdement of the problem and a call for changes in the law to address the problem.

And in my view, such accusations of rape apology reflect an interest in shutting down dialogue, not encouraging it.

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1) Post flamebait. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #1
3 unfounded accusations. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #2
I have asked you the same question at least 2 dozen times. So far, no answer. trotsky Jan 2019 #3
Expected evasion. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #6
Thank you for admitting your lack of answering is expected evasion. trotsky Jan 2019 #12
Oh, ok. Let me found them. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #4
What? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #10
You feel the things you post here are in the interest of dialogue and debate? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #21
And you accuse me. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #25
Your point being? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #30
What the hell do YOU consider to be dialog and debate, gil? trotsky Jan 2019 #22
Knowing this DU'er as I do, flamebaiting and crying are NOT on the agenda. niyad Jan 2019 #5
He supports exemptions for clergy from mandatory reporting laws. trotsky Jan 2019 #7
Laughable. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #11
Yes indeed, your evasion is. trotsky Jan 2019 #16
Have you read #14 yet? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #17
Read and answered. trotsky Jan 2019 #19
And there is this reply, from the original thread, that you ignored or missed: guillaumeb Jan 2019 #14
You are carefully trying to skirt the question. trotsky Jan 2019 #18
Allow me to make this very clear: guillaumeb Jan 2019 #23
YOU ARE UNSURE???? trotsky Jan 2019 #26
Attorneys are not subject to the requirement. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #32
Whataboutism. trotsky Jan 2019 #35
Avoid reality if you wish. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #38
Avoid reality? I just explained reality to you. trotsky Jan 2019 #40
No, you explained what your preferred narrative is. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #42
Nope, reality. And no one is because no one gives a shit about your diversion. trotsky Jan 2019 #50
"everyone should be a mandated reporter" Major Nikon Jan 2019 #106
Another silly accusation. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #126
Amazing, isn't it? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #80
WHAT SAY YOU ABOUT THE THREE ACCUSATIONS? trotsky Jan 2019 #100
Glad you asked Major Nikon Jan 2019 #105
I don't think you understand, you see. trotsky Jan 2019 #108
The headline should have given it away Major Nikon Jan 2019 #109
As he's admitted, he was raised Catholic. trotsky Jan 2019 #110
You start to notice a pattern of behavior Major Nikon Jan 2019 #113
The article headline is misleading marylandblue Jan 2019 #111
Not sure how you get there Major Nikon Jan 2019 #112
Because it's true it won't "solve" the crisis marylandblue Jan 2019 #114
Which makes it obvious strawman rhetoric Major Nikon Jan 2019 #115
Yes, well, I am just talking about the headline marylandblue Jan 2019 #116
As am I when I say it's obvious strawman rhetoric Major Nikon Jan 2019 #117
Obvious to you. Not obvious to me until I read the article. marylandblue Jan 2019 #118
Don't forget Lordquinton Jan 2019 #121
LOL oh yeah, that one too. trotsky Jan 2019 #123
It's true, it's damn true Lordquinton Jan 2019 #129
The RCC is the one supporting the position that makes it easier to rape children Major Nikon Jan 2019 #79
Your insight is noted. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #84
Explain again how you are unsure that child rape prevention laws are a good idea Major Nikon Jan 2019 #86
Sorry to avoid your diversion. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #87
... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #89
Then explain the flamebaiting and crying. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #8
nice try. niyad Jan 2019 #9
Do you think clergy should be exempted from mandatory reporting laws... trotsky Jan 2019 #13
See #14 guillaumeb Jan 2019 #15
Read and responded to. trotsky Jan 2019 #20
Er what? They are sop. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #73
You forgot to emphasize this phrase: MineralMan Jan 2019 #24
Plus, it is 2019. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #27
No, you misunderstand the term "apologia for child rape". guillaumeb Jan 2019 #28
Oh dear. No, Guy, I do not misunderstand the term. MineralMan Jan 2019 #31
You might clearly feel that you are correct here, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #34
You posted the article, with your approbation. MineralMan Jan 2019 #37
You are incorrect in your assertion that this is apologetics. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #43
Apologetics trotsky Jan 2019 #58
No, it is not. Not even close to correct. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #59
You are free to disagree. trotsky Jan 2019 #61
And you are free to say that black is white, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #62
"solution may not be the solution" Major Nikon Jan 2019 #95
You don't get to define things for others. trotsky Jan 2019 #101
You demand the right to define black as white, and up as down. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #124
Nope, you're trying to do the defining here. trotsky Jan 2019 #125
And you are arguing that you are "the definer". guillaumeb Jan 2019 #127
You have convinced yourself. trotsky Jan 2019 #128
Thank you for agreeing with me, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #64
Oh dear. trotsky Jan 2019 #102
I thought he was the "decider" Major Nikon Jan 2019 #96
Its untrue because you misquoted me Major Nikon Jan 2019 #98
BWAH HA HA HA trotsky Jan 2019 #103
Laughable. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #122
The only qualification I made was your fuckup trying to quote me Major Nikon Jan 2019 #130
This would earn you a failed grade in any level debate class. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #131
You just said "I stuck my dick in a light socket". Those are your words. Major Nikon Jan 2019 #132
Which is about on the level of your 3 accusations. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #133
So why did you repeatedly apologize for posting RCC rape apologia? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #134
Even worse. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #135
Why would I take credit for your idea? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #136
Which socket type? MineralMan Jan 2019 #137
No offense but those are bulbs not sockets Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #138
Good point, but before one can specify the socket, one must know what bulb MineralMan Jan 2019 #139
Did you just assume gender? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #140
I believe there was a reference to a "dick" in a light socket above. MineralMan Jan 2019 #142
Those were his words, not mine Major Nikon Jan 2019 #143
Please forgive me if I have erred in the attribution of MineralMan Jan 2019 #145
Well I don't suggest any one try it, but if you were interested marylandblue Jan 2019 #149
It's a metaphor, see. MineralMan Jan 2019 #150
Well some men have been sticking their dicks in strange objects for thousands of years marylandblue Jan 2019 #151
And Billly-Bob said, "Let there be light," and flipped the switch. MineralMan Jan 2019 #152
Oh so you are a bulb determines the socket sort of person? Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #141
I reject your criticism on the following grounds: MineralMan Jan 2019 #144
Sometimes when you descend down the Rabbit of Caerbannog's hole... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #146
One would need a detailed map, I'd think, MineralMan Jan 2019 #147
GPS is useless underground Major Nikon Jan 2019 #148
Gil has punted. trotsky Jan 2019 #29
He's of two minds about it, then. MineralMan Jan 2019 #33
More ad hominem and vague accusations? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #36
Just analysis, Guy. Analysis. MineralMan Jan 2019 #39
You seem unsure about that term as well. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #44
.. MineralMan Jan 2019 #47
Yes, it is good to retreat from the unsupportable claim. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #52
... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #94
So what kind of grade did you earn for calling multiple people here "intolerant", Gil? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #99
Well, at this moment there are 2 DUers who have recommended his thread. trotsky Jan 2019 #104
... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #41
3 train wrecks. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #45
I'm sure you have faith in that Major Nikon Jan 2019 #48
And there is more: guillaumeb Jan 2019 #46
Yeah, whatabout that? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #49
What about your 3 claims? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #53
Still think it's a better idea to parrot out the RCC's side of this story Major Nikon Jan 2019 #65
SO the 3 claims are unsupportable? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #67
If you want to pretend I'm agreeing with the RCCs child rape apologia have at it Major Nikon Jan 2019 #69
This is the Religion Group, Guy. MineralMan Jan 2019 #51
Theists are humans. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #55
Nope. The Religion Group is for discussions of MineralMan Jan 2019 #56
Focus on the term "child rape apologia". guillaumeb Jan 2019 #57
No. I'm focusing on religion and child sexual abuse. MineralMan Jan 2019 #60
Your focus is skewed. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #63
Sez You... MineralMan Jan 2019 #74
Your something is showing. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #83
LOL! MineralMan Jan 2019 #75
Yeah, some are unsure about whether or not child rape prevention laws are a good idea Major Nikon Jan 2019 #81
Focus. or continue with your meme. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #85
And you will lose and then welch on the bet Major Nikon Jan 2019 #88
Laughable. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #90
You are the only one laughing over child rape apologia Major Nikon Jan 2019 #91
Even more laughable. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #92
Sounds like you are the "decider" Major Nikon Jan 2019 #93
#Whataboutism n/t trotsky Jan 2019 #54
The fact that you started this thread Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #66
The thread concerns unsupported accusations. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #68
I understand that is what you thought it was about. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #70
So you admit that there is no defense for the claims. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #71
No I admit that you made yet another huge blunder. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #72
Gil's latest canned reply is to pretend you agreed with him Major Nikon Jan 2019 #77
So confusing... MineralMan Jan 2019 #78
I thought as much. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #82
The more you kick this disaster of a thread Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #97
Not THAT interesting, really. MineralMan Jan 2019 #76
The Pope could change the Cannon laws regarding confessor confidentiality. njhoneybadger Jan 2019 #107
He said he's unsure whether the RCC should report child rape to the cops Major Nikon Jan 2019 #119
That priest probably confessed to another priest he's a child raper. njhoneybadger Jan 2019 #120
He could, that is true. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #153
It would if they're were in jail njhoneybadger Jan 2019 #154
Jail is one solution. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #155
Mandatory reporting laws decrease and prevent child sexual predation. njhoneybadger Jan 2019 #156
Agreed, for repeat offenders. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #158
Not even one? Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #157
Your hypothesis. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #159
No Gil, it's the "hypothesis" of numerous child welfare organizations Major Nikon Jan 2019 #163
Link to it. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #164
Already did, Gil. You know the one you dismissed within moments of it being posted Major Nikon Jan 2019 #168
And: guillaumeb Jan 2019 #166
Why are you even posting something that has absolutely nothing to do with mandatory reporting, Gil? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #167
Read the highlighted parts. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #169
The article has nothing to do with mandatory reporting, Gil. Nada. Zip. Not even mentioned. Major Nikon Jan 2019 #172
Pathetic, isn't it? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #160
Sure, Gil. What better "author" than a RCC priest to tell us what won't prevent child rape Major Nikon Jan 2019 #161
Delusion is thinking that predators will simply stop. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #162
No Gil, delusion is thinking the RCC is where you go to get solutions for child rape prevention Major Nikon Jan 2019 #165
Nobody said predators will "simply stop" and that is not the purpose of mandatory reporting marylandblue Jan 2019 #170
I have no personal objection. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #171
You said you were "unsure" if the RCC should be required to tell the authorities about child rape Major Nikon Jan 2019 #173
And that was based on the information that the author wrote as to the efficacy guillaumeb Jan 2019 #174
The author is an RCC priest who is saying secular laws on child rape shouldn't apply to the RCC Major Nikon Jan 2019 #175
Your framing is incorrect. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #176
Oh bullshit, Gil. The author is a RCC priest. Your own source says so. Major Nikon Jan 2019 #183
Simple, yes. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #186
Yeah, kinda funny how you claim there's a contradiction which you refuse to explain Major Nikon Jan 2019 #189
And here is an excerpt that proves my point: guillaumeb Jan 2019 #177
The priest wants an exception for confession, and people here object to that marylandblue Jan 2019 #180
The often repeated claim: guillaumeb Jan 2019 #181
Well, that is what that priest wants marylandblue Jan 2019 #184
The claim is "child rape apologia". guillaumeb Jan 2019 #187
instead of focusing on the definition of "child rape apologia" marylandblue Jan 2019 #190
The accusation is incorrect. And words do matter. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #191
Substance matters more than words, marylandblue Jan 2019 #192
The RCC thinks the RCC should be exempt from laws that protect children from child rape Major Nikon Jan 2019 #182
And you insist on demonstrating your agenda. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #185
So you are now the decider on what I do or don't understand? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #188
And away we go. tymorial Jan 2019 #178
Thus it has ever been. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #179
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