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This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #1
I never call anyone a troll. Usually it just turns out MineralMan Dec 2018 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #5
No need for apologies. MineralMan Dec 2018 #6
yet several folks on this forum qazplm135 Dec 2018 #2
I do not recall any instances of that. MineralMan Dec 2018 #4
No I don't routinely link or save posts of other posters qazplm135 Dec 2018 #7
I see. Just as I thought. MineralMan Dec 2018 #10
just as you thought what? qazplm135 Dec 2018 #11
That you have no evidence of what you stated. MineralMan Dec 2018 #14
so there are two options qazplm135 Dec 2018 #29
No. There's a third option. MineralMan Dec 2018 #30
you're ridiculous qazplm135 Dec 2018 #42
I see. Well, thanks for letting me know your opinion of me. MineralMan Dec 2018 #43
I'm an atheist and I haven't seen a post like that. sfwriter Dec 2018 #105
It is a sexist thing to say. nt. Mariana Dec 2018 #32
The testicles thing? I agree. MineralMan Dec 2018 #37
Testicles? Really? Mariana Dec 2018 #31
oh please qazplm135 Dec 2018 #44
So, you're not part of the left half of the political spectrum? MineralMan Dec 2018 #46
not remotely what I said qazplm135 Dec 2018 #48
"Why the left can't gain traction" The left is doing quite well, thank you. Where are you on the Nitram Dec 2018 #55
No, democrats are doing fairly well qazplm135 Dec 2018 #56
That wasn't why it was said that what you said was sexist. MineralMan Dec 2018 #59
it's a euphemism qazplm135 Dec 2018 #62
It's a sexist euphemism when used that way. MineralMan Dec 2018 #63
Honestly, at this point, I'm surprised I wasn't called hysterical. Mariana Dec 2018 #69
Yes. It's difficult for me to understand why some people MineralMan Dec 2018 #110
I'm pretty sure the poster understands he used sexist language. nt. Mariana Dec 2018 #116
Yes. So I believe, as well. MineralMan Dec 2018 #117
A good question. I asked him that, too. MineralMan Dec 2018 #57
I haven't seen it either Major Nikon Dec 2018 #16
Yeah. I'd need to see a link, I think. MineralMan Dec 2018 #17
I never had any testicles to begin with Mariana Dec 2018 #33
That's what I assumed from your name. MineralMan Dec 2018 #40
Oddly enough we all do have gonads. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #113
Indeed we do. MineralMan Dec 2018 #115
I also don't recall here looking to China as a positive example of the lack of religion. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #77
And many have pointed to other nations as examples guillaumeb Dec 2018 #93
Which theocracy was not intolerant? Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #108
Which society is not intolerant? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #119
There are many tolerant societies. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #121
Yes. For example, in law, the United States is a very tolerant society. MineralMan Dec 2018 #122
Is China's political system bad? dvduval Dec 2018 #8
I have no direct experience with the Chinese political system. MineralMan Dec 2018 #9
I speak Chinese dvduval Dec 2018 #12
OK. I work closely with a man who fled China after MineralMan Dec 2018 #15
So, you're a supporter of the Chinese political system? MineralMan Dec 2018 #18
I'm more apathetic towards it Major Nikon Dec 2018 #21
My question was to the other participant in the thread, MineralMan Dec 2018 #24
There are good parts and bad parts dvduval Dec 2018 #34
Nor did I state that is was good or bad. MineralMan Dec 2018 #38
I've been to four cities in China Major Nikon Dec 2018 #20
I work with colleagues in China. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #51
You have to understand some here are desperately searching for false equivalences Major Nikon Dec 2018 #19
Really? dvduval Dec 2018 #36
"I think it could be said that people who call themselves atheists are not all the same." MineralMan Dec 2018 #50
Atheology isn't a thing Major Nikon Dec 2018 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author dvduval Dec 2018 #13
It is always interesting to see people here, who are progressives edhopper Dec 2018 #22
I think it's really more whataboutism than anything else. MineralMan Dec 2018 #25
I don't know any progressives who equate atheism and communism. All communists are atheists, but Nitram Dec 2018 #71
The poster of the other China thread edhopper Dec 2018 #75
He must be an evangelical or something like that. They tend to simplify things a great deal. Nitram Dec 2018 #76
We have not been able to discern what he believes edhopper Dec 2018 #78
That's what I was gonna say, atheism / communism Lordquinton Dec 2018 #89
My experience Cartoonist Dec 2018 #23
As an atheist and a human rights advocate, MineralMan Dec 2018 #27
They can dvduval Dec 2018 #39
Again, this thread isn't really about China. MineralMan Dec 2018 #41
Their preconceived notion dvduval Dec 2018 #49
Interesting post. PatrickforO Dec 2018 #26
It's no effort at all to be an atheist. MineralMan Dec 2018 #28
"...it's a heck of a lot of work to be an atheist." Mariana Dec 2018 #35
I will speak to mine. violetpastille Dec 2018 #60
So, you're firm in your belief. MineralMan Dec 2018 #61
It's probably hardware. violetpastille Dec 2018 #104
People are openly critical of the CCP. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #109
Soft Totalitarianism violetpastille Dec 2018 #114
Thank you for your answer. Mariana Dec 2018 #65
No but violetpastille Dec 2018 #70
If you believed those were the only choices, you'd still be a theist. Mariana Dec 2018 #83
You're right. violetpastille Dec 2018 #85
I personally find it effortless The Genealogist Dec 2018 #52
Me too. violetpastille Dec 2018 #53
Sounds like philosophy of non-duality, aka Advaita. c-rational Dec 2018 #81
Wow. I didn't realize my little contribution would cause such a stir. PatrickforO Dec 2018 #82
That was me. violetpastille Dec 2018 #86
Oh. Yeah, I hear that. I do not discuss my beliefs at all, pretty much. PatrickforO Dec 2018 #92
I've been to China. Fascinating country Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #45
I'm sure that's true. It's one of the oldest continuous MineralMan Dec 2018 #47
They even survived edhopper Dec 2018 #72
LOL! MineralMan Dec 2018 #73
When did you go last? And where did you go? violetpastille Dec 2018 #54
Two years ago and I was mostly in Nanjing. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #95
Just inquisitive. violetpastille Dec 2018 #101
dont underestimate China AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #64
Where did I do that? This thread is not actually about China. MineralMan Dec 2018 #66
it implies that china's atheism is somehow bad AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #67
No. My post does not imply that at all. MineralMan Dec 2018 #68
I thought you were just pointing out that some people who are against atheism equate it with the Nitram Dec 2018 #74
Some do edhopper Dec 2018 #79
and I was trying to point out that chinese atheists AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #84
"China may very well become the world's largest democracy." A very naive view. Nitram Dec 2018 #99
Even Soviet Union eventually fell apart AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #102
Alex violetpastille Dec 2018 #107
Does "freedom of movement" mean you can move and live where you choose? Go abroad? Nitram Dec 2018 #111
I hope you are able to visit China. violetpastille Dec 2018 #80
I think I agree. There is more than one China. sfwriter Dec 2018 #106
This atheist believes in freedom of and from religion. JNelson6563 Dec 2018 #87
China has been cracking down on Maoists, and I'd assume Maoism is more compatible than religion Pope George Ringo II Dec 2018 #88
The Chinese political model also prioritizes social organization over most other concerns. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #90
Oh, definitely true Pope George Ringo II Dec 2018 #94
I understand the example of Chinese atheists is an issue. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #91
It would appear that you are about the only one with this "understanding"... NeoGreen Dec 2018 #96
As I said, a double standard. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #97
No text... NeoGreen Dec 2018 #98
No text, no response. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #118
The church is not the only organization that covers up such crimes. Look at all the companies and Nitram Dec 2018 #100
Boy Scouts is a relevant example AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #103
Yes, children are more vulnerable, and a traumatic event can influence them negatively for Nitram Dec 2018 #112
I wrote a post on the tendency of institutions to engage in cover ups of abusive behavior. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #120
Pointing out that abuse takes place in institutions other than the church does not in any way Nitram Dec 2018 #123
Bingo! And that is what gets missed all too often. MineralMan Dec 2018 #124
I agree. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #133
Which is exactly what you did. MineralMan Dec 2018 #125
This message was self-deleted by its author Nitram Dec 2018 #129
My post was a reply to guillaumeb, not you. MineralMan Dec 2018 #130
My sincere apologies, MM. I wondered why your two posts seemed contradictory. Nitram Dec 2018 #131
No worries. I've done that, myself. MineralMan Dec 2018 #132
Misframing on your part. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #135
Diversion and whataboutism is never appropriate. MineralMan Dec 2018 #127
Ironic response. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #134
I'm turning chi-anese I think I'm turning chi-anese Corvo Bianco Dec 2018 #126
Indeed. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #128
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