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marylandblue

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58. If everything is explained by tribalism

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 10:02 PM

Nov 2018

and every social grouping decides for itself what is good or bad, then you've explained nothing at all. For example, we went to war in Iraq because we are tribal and that's good because our social group said so. Now replace "war in Iraq" with any other activity and you get the same answer.

I find that very unsatisfying. I like a lot more detail than that so we can hopefully set our society on a better course. But that would require much more specific, and perhaps uncomfortable answers than, "we did it because we are tribal."

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PSA: Just because you are a believer who got their feelings hurt, doesn't make someone intolerant [View all] Major Nikon Nov 2018 OP

Yes. Intolerance denies people something. MineralMan Nov 2018 #1

Something that has been irritating me grumpyduck Nov 2018 #2

Stay with your true gif(t). guillaumeb Nov 2018 #3

I've seen more than one definition out there, marylandblue Nov 2018 #5

I have never criticized atheism. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #7

You have no sympathy for the atheistic viewpoint, and atheists on this board can attest to that. marylandblue Nov 2018 #8

I have no belief that atheism is correct. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #9

Then by 2a and your own definition you are intolerant of individual atheists marylandblue Nov 2018 #12

No, I am critical. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #13

So is Russell marylandblue Nov 2018 #14

Russell frequently engaged in ad hominem. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #15

... Major Nikon Nov 2018 #16

Russell spoke to a lot of people, so clearly he wanted dialogue marylandblue Nov 2018 #18

Intolerance is a feature of believers, not non-believers Major Nikon Nov 2018 #19

Intolerance is found wherever there are humans. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #21

Interesting framing Major Nikon Nov 2018 #23

No, it means that we should recognize that intolerance is a human failing. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #25

Nobody is arguing anyone is incapable of intolerance Major Nikon Nov 2018 #27

What leads to intolerance? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #29

All sorts of things lead to intolerance Major Nikon Nov 2018 #32

Agreed. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #33

Sometimes that's the reason Major Nikon Nov 2018 #35

Also true. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #43

Remember you're the one who still thinks deism is a form of theism Major Nikon Nov 2018 #6

Do you respect racism? Major Nikon Nov 2018 #17

What exactly do you mean by "tolerant?" Cary Nov 2018 #28

Tolerate that we might differ on this issue. And we might agree on other issues. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #30

"unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect opinions or beliefs contrary to one's own" trotsky Nov 2018 #42

When theists say intolerance Cartoonist Nov 2018 #4

All theists? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #10

Political privilege Cartoonist Nov 2018 #11

The exact same behavior they demonstrate toward atheists who are seen as a threat to power Major Nikon Nov 2018 #20

So being an atheist is not incompatible with being intolerant? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #22

I suspect we would also agree the sun rises in the east Major Nikon Nov 2018 #24

Agreed. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #26

If you agree with that, then it is possible that marylandblue Nov 2018 #44

There are many causes of evil. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #45

Really? So when a man beats his wife, it's because of tribalism? marylandblue Nov 2018 #46

I said many causes. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #47

You changed "all" to "most" marylandblue Nov 2018 #48

I never disagreed with that. And my edited post notes the edit. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #49

Ok, we may be on to something. marylandblue Nov 2018 #50

Any aspect of tribalism can contribute to an "us versus them" guillaumeb Nov 2018 #51

Ok, but that's not the question I asked, so I'll just ask a different question. marylandblue Nov 2018 #52

I believe I did answer your question. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #53

Do you think there is anything good about tribalism in general? marylandblue Nov 2018 #54

Tribalism is an aspect of socialization. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #55

Who decides what's a good or bad agenda? marylandblue Nov 2018 #56

Every social grouping. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #57

If everything is explained by tribalism marylandblue Nov 2018 #58

Many things are explained by tribalism. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #60

We start by looking at all the important factors and how the interact marylandblue Nov 2018 #61

Seeking power seems to be one of the foundations. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #62

Not most societies. All societies have a hierarchy. marylandblue Nov 2018 #63

The conmmon element is a hierarchy. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #64

Well, you are explaining everything by nothing again marylandblue Nov 2018 #65

No, we end up with humans doing bad and good. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #66

Expertly executed whataboutism Lordquinton Nov 2018 #41

. Adsos Letter Nov 2018 #31

Funny how that works Major Nikon Nov 2018 #34

It irritates me to no end when some Christians in the US claim that they are being persecuted. Adsos Letter Nov 2018 #36

You know what's even better? Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #37

Christian Dominionism. Adsos Letter Nov 2018 #38

It's on the short list. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #39

I agree. Adsos Letter Nov 2018 #40

Proof that atheists are intolerant: I only see ten replies. Iggo Nov 2018 #59