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guillaumeb

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10. All theists?

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Sun Nov 11, 2018, 10:20 PM

Nov 2018

When atheistic governments in China and N Korea persecute theists, what are they demonstrating?

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PSA: Just because you are a believer who got their feelings hurt, doesn't make someone intolerant [View all] Major Nikon Nov 2018 OP

Yes. Intolerance denies people something. MineralMan Nov 2018 #1

Something that has been irritating me grumpyduck Nov 2018 #2

Stay with your true gif(t). guillaumeb Nov 2018 #3

I've seen more than one definition out there, marylandblue Nov 2018 #5

I have never criticized atheism. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #7

You have no sympathy for the atheistic viewpoint, and atheists on this board can attest to that. marylandblue Nov 2018 #8

I have no belief that atheism is correct. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #9

Then by 2a and your own definition you are intolerant of individual atheists marylandblue Nov 2018 #12

No, I am critical. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #13

So is Russell marylandblue Nov 2018 #14

Russell frequently engaged in ad hominem. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #15

... Major Nikon Nov 2018 #16

Russell spoke to a lot of people, so clearly he wanted dialogue marylandblue Nov 2018 #18

Intolerance is a feature of believers, not non-believers Major Nikon Nov 2018 #19

Intolerance is found wherever there are humans. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #21

Interesting framing Major Nikon Nov 2018 #23

No, it means that we should recognize that intolerance is a human failing. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #25

Nobody is arguing anyone is incapable of intolerance Major Nikon Nov 2018 #27

What leads to intolerance? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #29

All sorts of things lead to intolerance Major Nikon Nov 2018 #32

Agreed. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #33

Sometimes that's the reason Major Nikon Nov 2018 #35

Also true. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #43

Remember you're the one who still thinks deism is a form of theism Major Nikon Nov 2018 #6

Do you respect racism? Major Nikon Nov 2018 #17

What exactly do you mean by "tolerant?" Cary Nov 2018 #28

Tolerate that we might differ on this issue. And we might agree on other issues. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #30

"unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect opinions or beliefs contrary to one's own" trotsky Nov 2018 #42

When theists say intolerance Cartoonist Nov 2018 #4

All theists? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #10

Political privilege Cartoonist Nov 2018 #11

The exact same behavior they demonstrate toward atheists who are seen as a threat to power Major Nikon Nov 2018 #20

So being an atheist is not incompatible with being intolerant? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #22

I suspect we would also agree the sun rises in the east Major Nikon Nov 2018 #24

Agreed. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #26

If you agree with that, then it is possible that marylandblue Nov 2018 #44

There are many causes of evil. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #45

Really? So when a man beats his wife, it's because of tribalism? marylandblue Nov 2018 #46

I said many causes. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #47

You changed "all" to "most" marylandblue Nov 2018 #48

I never disagreed with that. And my edited post notes the edit. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #49

Ok, we may be on to something. marylandblue Nov 2018 #50

Any aspect of tribalism can contribute to an "us versus them" guillaumeb Nov 2018 #51

Ok, but that's not the question I asked, so I'll just ask a different question. marylandblue Nov 2018 #52

I believe I did answer your question. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #53

Do you think there is anything good about tribalism in general? marylandblue Nov 2018 #54

Tribalism is an aspect of socialization. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #55

Who decides what's a good or bad agenda? marylandblue Nov 2018 #56

Every social grouping. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #57

If everything is explained by tribalism marylandblue Nov 2018 #58

Many things are explained by tribalism. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #60

We start by looking at all the important factors and how the interact marylandblue Nov 2018 #61

Seeking power seems to be one of the foundations. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #62

Not most societies. All societies have a hierarchy. marylandblue Nov 2018 #63

The conmmon element is a hierarchy. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #64

Well, you are explaining everything by nothing again marylandblue Nov 2018 #65

No, we end up with humans doing bad and good. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #66

Expertly executed whataboutism Lordquinton Nov 2018 #41

. Adsos Letter Nov 2018 #31

Funny how that works Major Nikon Nov 2018 #34

It irritates me to no end when some Christians in the US claim that they are being persecuted. Adsos Letter Nov 2018 #36

You know what's even better? Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #37

Christian Dominionism. Adsos Letter Nov 2018 #38

It's on the short list. Pope George Ringo II Nov 2018 #39

I agree. Adsos Letter Nov 2018 #40

Proof that atheists are intolerant: I only see ten replies. Iggo Nov 2018 #59