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guillaumeb

(42,649 posts) Sat Oct 20, 2018, 05:10 PM Oct 2018

There is a crack... in everything. That's how the light gets in. [View all]

Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That’s how the light gets in.

Leonard Cohen.

And that crack, that human imperfection, has been expressed in the Bible as original sin.

There is no perfection in humanity, but there is hope, and there is struggle. Thus the metaphor of the crack in everything.

But there is also hope, the hope that the light will enter into the imperfect vessel.

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There is a crack... in everything. That's how the light gets in. [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2018 OP

"sin" is a... NeoGreen Oct 2018 #1

Sin is one way of saying "imperfect". guillaumeb Oct 2018 #3

Kindly... NeoGreen Oct 2018 #15

It's a way of saying homosexuality is bad while child rape is not Major Nikon Oct 2018 #19

The problem with your "analysis" is that it is contradicted by Jesus' own words. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #21

Speaking of "any real evidentiary basis" do you have a cite? Major Nikon Oct 2018 #23

You made specific claims. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #24

"The problem with your "analysis" is that it is contradicted by Jesus' own words." Major Nikon Oct 2018 #26

Carefully read #19. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #37

Carefully read where I asked for a cite for your assertion you failed to produce. Major Nikon Oct 2018 #39

Do, please, show us those words, Guy. MineralMan Oct 2018 #32

Tyhe Bible is pretty specific edhopper Oct 2018 #2

No, your reading is specific. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #4

Oringinal sin edhopper Oct 2018 #5

Original sin is imperfection. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #6

Hardly edhopper Oct 2018 #7

And your response is your attempt to derail the post. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #8

All my response are about your post edhopper Oct 2018 #9

Do you argue for perfection? guillaumeb Oct 2018 #10

I disagree edhopper Oct 2018 #11

Disagreement is diversion Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #13

You just don't understand Major Nikon Oct 2018 #29

Does it mean imperfection? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #46

Are you suggesting that my imperfection influences my interpretation? guillaumeb Oct 2018 #47

No. I'm not. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #49

it's pretty literally laid out in the bible qazplm135 Oct 2018 #50

the crack in the oppression and misery created by religion lets in the light nt msongs Oct 2018 #12

But a splash of water and mumbo jumbo Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #14

Simplistic, and untrue. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #16

Please demonstrate the validity of your claims. MineralMan Oct 2018 #33

The claim was actually in #14. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #38

CCC 405. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #40

From your own citation: guillaumeb Oct 2018 #41

It erases original sin. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #43

Reread the citation. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #44

This was what you said in your op: Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #48

FFS qazplm135 Oct 2018 #51

Par for the course. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #54

Original sin is a purely Christian concept. MineralMan Oct 2018 #17

Original sin is a metaphor for imperfection. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #18

Punt. MineralMan Oct 2018 #20

You see only the reflection cast by the real. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #22

Tu Quoque. MineralMan Oct 2018 #25

Original sin has an implication of guilt that imperfection does not marylandblue Oct 2018 #27

Well, like all things, Guy's argument is imperfect. MineralMan Oct 2018 #28

And thus you reveal your true feelings about yourself and others. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #42

Punt again. MineralMan Oct 2018 #45

Biblical literalists are those who believe in biblical inerrancy Major Nikon Oct 2018 #34

you know when something is said literally qazplm135 Oct 2018 #52

The same concept exists pretty much verbatim with all Abrahamic religions Major Nikon Oct 2018 #30

As you say, religion has its uses. MineralMan Oct 2018 #31

By extension, who can argue with someone who pretends to speak for god? Major Nikon Oct 2018 #35

Oh, arguing with human beings is easy. Entertaining, too. MineralMan Oct 2018 #36

Thanks for posting poem. Interesting. But to be honest, my feelings are that everyone is made... SWBTATTReg Oct 2018 #53

An interesting viewpoint. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #55

Nonsense. MineralMan Oct 2018 #56

You apparently missed the point. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #57

What point do you think I missed? MineralMan Oct 2018 #58

What I initially wrote. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #59

I addressed that upthread. MineralMan Oct 2018 #60

We disagree. eom guillaumeb Oct 2018 #61

We almost always do. MineralMan Oct 2018 #62

We agree. eom guillaumeb Oct 2018 #63