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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
11. I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.
Mon Oct 8, 2018, 11:09 AM
Oct 2018

This article does a pretty good job summing things up:

https://quillette.com/2016/06/14/the-josiah-effect-how-moderate-religion-fuels-fundamentalism/

First, moderate religion primes children — by the millions, if not billions — from an early age to accept without question the authority of the very same books that serve as the basis for fundamentalist ideologies, and it teaches children that the gods described in those books are worthy of worship. This renders these children susceptible to fundamentalist ideology when, as young adults, they begin seeking a purpose for their lives.

Second, moderate religion propagates and legitimizes the vehicles of fundamentalist ideology — both the texts and the rituals. The fact that millions upon millions of Americans believe that the Bible is a holy book drives publishers to print millions upon millions of copies every year. Bibles are available in every home and on the back of every church pew. And all it takes for a fundamentalist to be born is for one lost soul to pick up a copy and find a powerful sense of purpose in a literal interpretation of the text. The same is true of the Koran.

Third, moderate religion lends credibility to fundamentalism by claiming to believe in the very same gods and the very same divinely-inspired texts that are exalted by fundamentalists. If not for moderate religion, the absurdity of fundamentalist beliefs would be much more obvious. But those beliefs are not as easy to identify as absurd when billions of people worship the same god and study the same scripture. The result is that fundamentalist beliefs are seen not as ridiculous, but as merely unorthodox or misguided interpretations of an ideology that is, on the whole, widely regarded as correct.


This isn't about saying the fundies are "okay," or directly approving of them, but about helping to provide cover for them - even if it's unwillingly.
Can't wait for the year 4018... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #1
And other Muslims will accuse him of misreading the verses. trotsky Oct 2018 #2
I don't see moderates providing cover for fundamentalists marylandblue Oct 2018 #4
In Islamic countries where being an atheist can get Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #5
All the more reason to support moderate muslims marylandblue Oct 2018 #7
Moderates of all religions provide cover for fundamentalists. trotsky Oct 2018 #6
Do you know of anyone who thinks that because moderates exist marylandblue Oct 2018 #8
Lending legitimacy is not the same as saying they're okay.. Permanut Oct 2018 #9
What would you like moderate christians to do about fundamentalists? marylandblue Oct 2018 #10
Fair question.. Permanut Oct 2018 #12
I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. trotsky Oct 2018 #11
I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with it marylandblue Oct 2018 #13
... trotsky Oct 2018 #14
Point is, there would be fundamentalists no matter what marylandblue Oct 2018 #15
There probably would be, but they would be a lot more marginalized. trotsky Oct 2018 #16
Here is an example of enabling religious extremism Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #19
I am not sure how that enables religious extremism marylandblue Oct 2018 #20
The theist's go-to excuse Cartoonist Oct 2018 #3
His "debunks" are mind-boggling and utterly ridiculous: DetlefK Oct 2018 #17
It's basically the same message of religious "moderates" everywhere. trotsky Oct 2018 #18
You, perhaps inadvertently, confirmed the author's point. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #21
And what is this truth the Quran refers to? It is the existence of God. DetlefK Oct 2018 #22
And this deflection does not address my point. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #24
Fine. Here's my whole point for those too lazy to read. DetlefK Oct 2018 #25
What you said: guillaumeb Oct 2018 #31
Do you have any evidence for your claim? DetlefK Oct 2018 #37
It is literally directly addressing your argument Lordquinton Oct 2018 #26
Just like every other time he's tripped over his own Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #27
On the other hand, I have five fingers. MineralMan Oct 2018 #28
Focused on one line of a long post Lordquinton Oct 2018 #35
Those who conceal the truth Cartoonist Oct 2018 #23
Including our OP? MineralMan Oct 2018 #29
Yes, but he doesn't take it literally. Cartoonist Oct 2018 #30
No, those who conceal the truth guillaumeb Oct 2018 #32
We'll just agree Cartoonist Oct 2018 #33
Speaking of multiple personalities, guillaumeb Oct 2018 #34
Seconded Lordquinton Oct 2018 #36
Uh what? Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #38
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