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struggle4progress

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48. I mean an obligation that one should try to honor with extraordinary seriousness
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 02:58 PM
Oct 2018

Anyone, for example, believing in a deity, who created the universe and who will judge us all at the end of time, should regard the obligation to love one's neighbor as seriously as belief in that deity

But, of course, not everyone believes in such a deity. Those, who do not, still have (in my opinion) an option to choose to love one's neighbor, as an extraordinarily serious obligation. In this case, my view resembles the very striking language Regis Debray used to describe Che Guevara: "a mystic without a transcendent belief, a saint without a God." I do not mean that one must admire Guevara or approve of his aims or methods: I simply mean that we might make the decision, to really love our neighbors, with a fervor that resembles religious mysticism or a desire to serve some ultimate God, although absolutely no religious infra-structure remains to support the decision. I suspect that your objection to such a stance might remain unaltered --- namely, there is no logical foundation to the decision --- and I recognize that objection as "valid," so far as it goes, except that I do not think it actually goes very far

I do not think the objection goes far, because I agree with Kierkegaard's opening passage in Works of Love:

If it were true --- as conceited shrewdness, proud of not being deceived, thinks --- that one should believe nothing which he cannot see by means of his physical eyes, then first and foremost one ought to give up believing in love. If one did this, and did it out of fear of being deceived, would not one then be deceived?


Since I largely abandoned Christianity in my teen years, and then (largely as a result of reading Marxist biblical criticisms) returned to it in my thirties --- without any willingness to abandon the very social and materialist criticisms that had driven me away from the religion in the first place --- this "mystic without transcendent belief, saint without God" view has a certain allure to me, though I seem to find few other Americans who like the view


Interesting question! Maybe the number is infinite. Croney Oct 2018 #1
Yes edhopper Oct 2018 #6
Are you suggesting that maybe grumpyduck Oct 2018 #2
I am not talking about any particular gods edhopper Oct 2018 #7
It depends on what your definition of a "deity" is...nt ADX Oct 2018 #3
A supernatural entity edhopper Oct 2018 #8
They are innumerable... ADX Oct 2018 #18
Christopher Hitchens said it best... AZ8theist Oct 2018 #4
Love it! edhopper Oct 2018 #9
Now you've done it... NeoGreen Oct 2018 #5
Why can't they all be edhopper Oct 2018 #10
Ahh, truth you are getting closer to! hueymahl Oct 2018 #12
Thanks Yoda edhopper Oct 2018 #14
as someone else said, depends on your definition qazplm135 Oct 2018 #11
"You shall have no other Gods before me" edhopper Oct 2018 #13
as Arthur C Clarke said qazplm135 Oct 2018 #15
Clarke's quote edhopper Oct 2018 #19
dont remotely agree qazplm135 Oct 2018 #20
But I have read science fiction novels edhopper Oct 2018 #22
I don't think we would perceive it that way at all qazplm135 Oct 2018 #29
Clarke's quote edhopper Oct 2018 #33
Clarke's point qazplm135 Oct 2018 #39
I don't agree with Clarke edhopper Oct 2018 #40
It's not about logic zipplewrath Oct 2018 #16
Well thought out post edhopper Oct 2018 #17
obviously that commandment qazplm135 Oct 2018 #21
Then why not say edhopper Oct 2018 #23
Because, at the time and in that region, there were loads of gods. MineralMan Oct 2018 #24
But God is suppose to know these things edhopper Oct 2018 #25
See, there are no gods, actually, so it doesn't matter. MineralMan Oct 2018 #37
Yes edhopper Oct 2018 #38
well first qazplm135 Oct 2018 #27
True edhopper Oct 2018 #34
Maybe there is a God for each galaxy. Alwaysna Oct 2018 #26
It is as simple as you having one Father and one Mother troyanos Oct 2018 #28
Where's mom? Eliot Rosewater Oct 2018 #30
Who is the Mother? uppityperson Oct 2018 #31
Thanks for the definitive answer lordbateman Oct 2018 #32
Can I ask you a question edhopper Oct 2018 #35
Good question troyanos Oct 2018 #41
Do this was after you joined DU? edhopper Oct 2018 #42
Thanks! troyanos Oct 2018 #43
Simplicity almost certainly has much to do with it Major Nikon Oct 2018 #55
Somehow I'm sure you thought that made sense. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #57
raised Catholic and they had one GOD but wither personalities (??) rurallib Oct 2018 #36
In an eternal and infinite universe, any God or Gods that one can fathom gtar100 Oct 2018 #44
I am open to the idea that God is an infinite number of beings each with a single iota of power ck4829 Oct 2018 #45
Neat. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #49
You may choose for or against the view, that you have a transcendental obligation struggle4progress Oct 2018 #46
could you define edhopper Oct 2018 #47
I mean an obligation that one should try to honor with extraordinary seriousness struggle4progress Oct 2018 #48
Thanks edhopper Oct 2018 #50
Kierkegaard is regarded as an early existentialist struggle4progress Oct 2018 #51
You may choose one item from column A Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #58
Here is an article behind a paywall I would like to read exboyfil Oct 2018 #52
I have said edhopper Oct 2018 #53
Mitt Romney believes he will become a God after his physical death. keithbvadu2 Oct 2018 #54
And 47% of the people on that planet.. Permanut Oct 2018 #56
One iota less goofy than Scientology. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #59
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