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marylandblue

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56. None of them fit with an omniscient omnipotent perfectly good God

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 10:47 AM

Oct 2018

We have to drop one of those three, but believers are typically unwilling to do that, so they twist themselves into knots to explain how a perfect God could create such a mixed bag of a world.

The polytheists have a better explanation - the gods are themselves a mixed bag.

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Religious women push lawmakers to investigate Kavanaugh, suspend confirmation [View all] guillaumeb Sep 2018 OP

Yes! whathehell Sep 2018 #1

Religious leaders and voters are standing by their man Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #2

Classic whataboutism on display. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #3

Further proving you have no idea what that word means, and only want to use it as a weapon. trotsky Sep 2018 #4

And is this example good news? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #6

Both. trotsky Oct 2018 #24

Agreed. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #109

guillaumeb, saidsimplesimon Oct 2018 #102

Given that 81% of white evangelicals voted for Trump.. Permanut Oct 2018 #53

Good for them. Sadly, they are too few and too powerless to MineralMan Sep 2018 #5

Why so cynical and depressive? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #7

Slavery should never have existed at all. MineralMan Sep 2018 #8

Cynical and typically insulting. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #9

Sometimes I tolerate. Other times I do not. MineralMan Sep 2018 #10

Add to the cynicism and insult a lack of understanding. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #11

It should not be necessary. MineralMan Sep 2018 #12

Slavery is/was free labor. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #13

Goodbye. You make no sense. MineralMan Sep 2018 #14

That "week" was certainly short. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #15

And how is that your business? MineralMan Sep 2018 #18

Complains about people being cynical. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #25

There is no free labor. Even slaves must be housed and fed, or MineralMan Oct 2018 #33

I agree with the second part, but not the first qazplm135 Oct 2018 #31

Well, I don't know of any examples of non-religious MineralMan Oct 2018 #32

I'm pretty sure that mankind pre-religion had slavery of some sort qazplm135 Oct 2018 #34

Assuming that earlier civilizations were non-religious isn't MineralMan Oct 2018 #35

supernatural belief and organized religion are not the same thing qazplm135 Oct 2018 #36

There is no bright line between those two things. MineralMan Oct 2018 #37

Do you really think qazplm135 Oct 2018 #38

No. I think they developed alongside each other. MineralMan Oct 2018 #41

well but I didn't say religion I said organized religion qazplm135 Oct 2018 #43

Organized religion require organized societies. MineralMan Oct 2018 #45

We know very little about pre-civilization cultures. MineralMan Oct 2018 #42

why didn't God give a Commandment about slavery edhopper Sep 2018 #16

He kind of did give a commandment about slavery. Mariana Sep 2018 #17

So God is good with slavery edhopper Sep 2018 #20

It is clear that God considers slaves to be property Mariana Sep 2018 #21

certainly the group of men qazplm135 Oct 2018 #39

But since many say they were edhopper Oct 2018 #40

no qazplm135 Oct 2018 #44

Why assume it would be at least as ethical as us? Mariana Oct 2018 #46

Because to qualify as a God qazplm135 Oct 2018 #47

What is it about omniscience or near omniscience Mariana Oct 2018 #48

I can easily imagine qazplm135 Oct 2018 #49

You can imagine it. Mariana Oct 2018 #50

Yes I can imagine far worse qazplm135 Oct 2018 #52

Pretty interesting how there's room for a "mixed bag" in a universe created by a perfect designer. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #54

not really qazplm135 Oct 2018 #55

None of them fit with an omniscient omnipotent perfectly good God marylandblue Oct 2018 #56

I think you can drop perfectly good rather easily qazplm135 Oct 2018 #59

I don't know any religious person willing to drop any of the three marylandblue Oct 2018 #60

Deists qazplm135 Oct 2018 #61

I don't know any Deists, it's so 18th Century marylandblue Oct 2018 #63

So define evil qazplm135 Oct 2018 #64

I actually don't think there is such a thing as evil marylandblue Oct 2018 #67

Well he was a super-man...pun intended...but qazplm135 Oct 2018 #70

Well, terminology and nuance aside you do agree with Nietzsche marylandblue Oct 2018 #80

I conclude qazplm135 Oct 2018 #83

Existence has whatever meaning you give it. marylandblue Oct 2018 #85

OK. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #57

what does wrong have to do with it? qazplm135 Oct 2018 #58

I don't see how your IF...THEN has any kind of logic behind it. trotsky Oct 2018 #62

So you can imagine a million different deities all with different qualities. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #65

so you don't think qazplm135 Oct 2018 #66

I think you're wasting our time playing "what if". Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #68

Oh I'm clearly qazplm135 Oct 2018 #69

Yeah, that's it. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #71

no qazplm135 Oct 2018 #73

If only. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #77

True qazplm135 Oct 2018 #78

If people knowing things bothers you so much... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #88

Yeah qazplm135 Oct 2018 #89

ba dum tssss Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #91

yeah qazplm135 Oct 2018 #92

Really? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #98

There is no requirement for gods to be "Omni" anything. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #72

I've already discussed the difference qazplm135 Oct 2018 #74

Indifference in an omnipotent deity is pretty damn evil. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #75

why? qazplm135 Oct 2018 #76

If you had the power to stop suffering but chose to ignore it instead marylandblue Oct 2018 #81

I wouldn't stop all suffering qazplm135 Oct 2018 #82

Then you'd be a bad god and I wouldn't want to enter your heaven paid for in blood. marylandblue Oct 2018 #84

Clearly you operate qazplm135 Oct 2018 #86

No I operate in gray quite well, thank you very much marylandblue Oct 2018 #87

And sometimes qazplm135 Oct 2018 #90

You still have to make your choices and accept responsibility marylandblue Oct 2018 #93

eh, parents create babies qazplm135 Oct 2018 #94

Not always and and not for all purposes marylandblue Oct 2018 #95

actually qazplm135 Oct 2018 #96

Yet.you make black and white statements like "all responsibility falls on the children" marylandblue Oct 2018 #97

Comment on adding "almost" marylandblue Oct 2018 #99

this is a silly comment qazplm135 Oct 2018 #100

It was intended to be silly, but it also had a point marylandblue Oct 2018 #101

Cut him some slack, marylandblue. trotsky Oct 2018 #103

Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #104

If you could defend your position without resorting to insults, trotsky Oct 2018 #106

A house on a regular walk we take with our dogs has a sign MineralMan Oct 2018 #107

I got the point just fine qazplm135 Oct 2018 #105

If you think I am "hard set" on something or don't want dialogue marylandblue Oct 2018 #108

The assumption that those commandments came from a deity MineralMan Sep 2018 #19

There's no reason to assume that if deities existed, they would not own human slaves. Mariana Sep 2018 #22

I can't imagine what an omnipotent supernatural entity would need MineralMan Sep 2018 #23

Amusement. marylandblue Oct 2018 #26

Surely, a deity is not entertained by human stand-up comedy. MineralMan Oct 2018 #27

You can amuse yourself too, but a trip to the zoo can be fun marylandblue Oct 2018 #79

How nice sanatanadharma Oct 2018 #28

Some men hear or read what they want to hear or read, MineralMan Oct 2018 #29

There are more than 1000 denominations of Christianity Mariana Oct 2018 #30

Lawmakers don't care about women. The relgious ones think women are property. bitterross Oct 2018 #51