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In reply to the discussion: The RKBA v Tyranny [View all]Buzz cook
(2,641 posts)20. I'm sure you think you make sense.
The American Civil War is an not an example of a struggle against tyranny. Your mindset is too American to see the real point. The point of the Civil War is that civilians on both sides were sufficiently armed in order that neither the existing federal government was able to simply dominate the states in rebellion nor was the government set up by the rebellious states able to dominate the Northern Union. The result was the war not a state of tyranny.
The South sure as hell described the North as tyrannical. In fact Southern apologists still call it that today.
https://nonrevisionistcivilwarfacts.wordpress.com/lincoln-s-tyranny/
If my mind set is too American does that mean that your's is not? I've studied the Civil War since I was a child in the sixties. My reading has included works by non-Americans as well the usual American authors.
Which brings us to the point that Northern soldiers were never armed with their own firearms. With the exception that many soldiers bought side arms, many of which littered the line of march, and some commanding officers buying arms for their troops.
The issue of private ownership of firearms was never an issue in the North. As to the South, well at the start of the war most soldiers were armed from Union stores in the rebellious states. There were Southerners that carried personal firearms as a matter of necessity but most were armed by the Southern government. The war lasted less that four years and in the end the North did indeed dominate the South.
Yes the various European governments in the Americas were tyrannous to indigenous people. From Columbus on down to Trump that has been the case.
Now I'd like to remind you that various native groups were armed by Europeans in order to fight other Europeans. When they weren't being armed by governments they were being armed by private companies such as the Hudson Bay Company.
https://books.google.com/books?id=BJRJZZIxrmkC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=french+arming+indians&source=bl&ots=XvfMs3t_hP&sig=ws2VntvPibHTa8LRWJJa4ZnksOE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivn46_wobZAhVHImMKHcT6CgUQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=french%20arming%20indians&f=false
Yet even were they were well armed, they never stopped tyranny.
The carpetbaggers and radical reconstruction folk were just older example of our orange plague in chief.
Sorry but no. The depredations of Northerners in the post war South were mostly an invention of Southern apologists. In short a fiction to excuse the depredations night riders and other reactionaries. It was the Southerners that are the true ancestors of Trump and his alt-right fanboys.
So just as a reminder you haven't given an example of private ownership of firearms stopping tyranny.
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Yeah, one helluva job RKBA is doing, combatting the onset of tyranny in the U.S.
Paladin
Jan 2018
#4
It sounds as if you're saying that pro-RKBA democrats voted for trump
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Jan 2018
#5
I stand by my comments. Nothing I can do about your interpretation of them. (nt)
Paladin
Jan 2018
#6
Were I you, I wouldn't elaborate on my comments either, as they raise some inconvenient questions
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2018
#11
The US doesn't *quite* have a totally degenerate government (for now, anyway), so...
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2018
#10
re: "...it shows that they lack the ability to engage in the ideas, or doubt the strength..."
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Feb 2018
#35
And where did I say that arms were the only requirement in revolution?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Feb 2018
#27