Is this enough? 50+ dead, 200+ wounded.

[krispos42]

28. It was a dark place to go into.

It emphisizes the fact that just about all of us spend nearly all of our lives a) hideously vulnerable and b) blissfully unaware of this fact. And we're blissfully unaware of this fact because the odds of anybody's vulerability being violated on any given day is very low. Not as low as some countries, but our nation has a large number of people (adults) that are extremely vulnerable to physical assault AND have never had to withstand one. And they probably will not do so in their lifetimes.

My particular point in this case was that different measures address different issues. Your point of view on this seems to be that if we restrict the hardware enough, a high-casualty mass-shooting will not be possible for technical reasons. And "enough" in this case would be 1830's levels of technology. Before revolvers and repeating firearms.

California's magazine laws are a joke; the "bullet button" makes a mockery of their attempts to draw an arbitrary line between "allowed" and "not allowed". And again, if a person decides to commit a premeditated crime, they will, in the privacy of their own home, break numerous laws (like replacing their tool-activated magazine release with a finger-activated one), and we'll only know about after the shooting.

Banning bump-fire stocks or the "gatling crank" (a lever with a cam that attaches to the side of a semiautomatic rifle; each time you turn the crank it pushes the trigger) will also not stop premeditated crime; they are aids to a psycho committing a mass shooting, not a requirement. Also, you can make them yourself. Bump firing can be done simply by hooking your thumb through your triggerguard and onto your jeans pocket, and you can make a gatling crank out of wood or plastic, or 3D-print one.

If you're serious, then don't try to allow "some" semiautomatic rifles and shotguns based on whether, or how, the magazines are replaced. Ban them all. All semiautomatic longs guns. Be honest and simple and straightforward. Your side bitches and moans every time the gun industry and gun owners adapt to changing laws (e.g., grinding off the bayonet mounting lug of an AK-47 so it's not an "assault weapon&quot so don't try to make complicated failures.

People are already making pump-action AR-15 rifles, though, so don't be surprised when you keep seeing them. They look virtually identical to semiautomatic ones, but no gas system.

Of course, the moral panic is about rifles. We live in a country where every 90 minutes a person is murdered with a handgun. By Thursday lunchtime we'll have had another Las Vegas body count with handguns, but because it's everywhere, in ones and occasionally 2s, it's not drawing the national attention. Many of the mass-shooting pinned at the top of this Group were done with handguns.

And I doubt it will stop mass shooting, regardless. It may change the tools used, but the sick, sick motive is still there.

And I have no goddamn clue how to fix THAT.