Mira Signer says state with highest gun ownership rates have highest suicide rates

[jimmy the one]

12. unclear as mud

I wrote: Huh? no comprende'.
beevul replied: No shit. Nothing new there for you. A for consistency

I comprehend normal english & rational reasoning just fine. What I don't comprehend is abnormal reasoning &/or ambiguous vague english, that being what you wrote when you said this:

source: The three states with the highest percentage of household gun ownership - Alaska, Wyoming and Montana - also had the three highest suicide rates.
Beevul replied: Huge coincidence, I'm sure, those three ultra low population states.

See? what are you talking about when you say you're sure there's a 'huge coincidence'? what exactly are you wanting to say, because it comes out as clear as mud, whether you're facetious or factual.
Are you contending the fact that those 3 states with small populations ~1 million or less, is a huge coincidental sinister plot by author Mira Signer to rig the results? Your answer makes little sense to those of us with above average comprehension skills. You're 'sure' there's a 'huge coincidence'? of what? Vermont, NHamp, hawaii, RI, Delaware, also have 'ultra low populations', so explain the 'huge coincidence'.

beevul: Did they? Reduced them {suicide rates} from what exactly?

The 9 gun control states with the lowest rates of firearm suicide were less than, reduced from all pro gun states' firearm suicide rates.

beevul: Says you. Population NOT moot. The smaller a population, the larger the margin for error when applying a rate. That's a fact james. You know the game being played with the rate just like everyone else, so get off your pious horse and quit pretending you don't.

I'd not heard this statistical analysis of yours before, when using actual figures. What you contend might apply to estimated statewide election poll predictions, but I don't see how it applies when using actual comparable official data from a state. After a suicide is adjudged a suicide, that's how it is treated for statistical purposes, unless later reversed due updated info.
You're not contending montana, wyoming, & alaska do not have high gun ownership rates are you, roughly 60% in households? that would be subject to a MOE, but since their HH-GO rate holds fairly steady for recent years, a weak limb.
Please direct me to, or link to where the 'margin of error' for wyoming's suicide rate is greater than the same MOE for California. I'm dying to see it. Or a link which contends that either wyo, montana, or alaska have lower HH gun ownership rates.
Your argument is stupid anyway, since texas (among many others) is not a small populated state, and has a higher firearm suicide rate than any of the 9 gun control states with the lowest suicide rates & HH gun ownership rates.
As I said, all the other 41 states will have higher firearm suicide rates than those 9 gun control states. This correlates firearms with firearm suicide, duh, and firearms are obviously a causative for successful completion of a suicide attempt. To argue otherwise, as you apparently are trying, is spitting in a hurricane.

beevul:No, I'm saying that any actual figures from states, paint a different very picture than the one painted into a rate which relies heavily on population in its calculation

What you say is specious & misleading & in our case absurd. You cannot contrast crime or suicide totals between smallest & largest states by population, and get much of anything meaningful in a state by state statistical comparison. Of course california will have far more suicides & crime, because it has over 35 times more people than each of those 3 states. The usual meaningful way is by rate comparison.

beevul: Because its factual, that's why.

You wouldn't understand a cogent factual argument on gun control if it smacked you in the head. Your main counter to when you've been refuted is either a tap dance or a coma where you feign sleep & disappear.

beevul: We could take a poll in this group and see whether people believe you or me more.

Here is where your above moe mentality comes into play. A high margin of error would result, since the larger majority of posters here are progun & would side with you, similar to what the progun crowd did with donP when he wrote his malicious lying post about gun control advocates & knives; the poll would not be of Knowledgeable random readers & thus not a scientific poll. It would be a meaningless poll of biased people.

CDC surveys showed that the top 3 states for percentage of household gun ownership - Wyoming, Montana and Alaska - often ranked as the three states with the highest suicide rates. Roughly 60% of households held firearms in those states, much higher than the national median of 40%. Their suicide rates, according to other CDC data, hovered around 20 people per 100,000 - nearly double the national average of about 11 per 100,000.
Conversely, the nine states with the lowest per-household gun ownership from 2001 to 2004 also had the nine lowest suicide rates. They were Hawaii, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, California, Illinois and Maryland.
Overall, the statistics show a distinct correlation between gun ownership and suicide rates in states.