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In reply to the discussion: Firearms insurance? [View all]
 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
19. Not at all, just pointing out where mandatory insurance will very likely lead
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:40 PM
Apr 2016

A lot of people that don't really follow the issue that closely latch on to what sounds like a good idea at first, and never bother to look any deeper into it. Mandatory insurance, Universal background checks, magazine limits etc. all sound good, but none of them would ever stop the kind of horrific mass shooting crimes everyone is concerned about.

For example they buy into the; "Only 40% of guns sold are sold with a background check" bumper sticker thinking. That number came from a study conducted 2 years before there even were mandatory background checks. Today any gun sold by an FFL in their store or at a gun show, even private 1 to 1 sales have to undergo a Federal background check in a growing number of states.

Mandatory Firearm Owners Insurance will have no effect on criminals, because they won't bother with it, any more than they obey other laws. And it will basically hand the keys to the Federal and State Government over to the NRA in a year or two. Besides you are probably already covered by basic liability laws and homeowners or renters insurance of a law abiding gun owner.

I'm just trying to point out that it's a bit more complicated than just saying; "OK everybody buy insurance now".

FWIW the vast majority, like 90%+ of gun fatalities and injuries are due to criminal activity. From drug deals gone bad, to domestic violence. You and your family's odds of being shot an injured or killed drop precipitously to almost zero, if you aren't involved in, or adjacent to in your neighborhood, criminal activity.

If you or a member of your family are injured or killed by a careless gun owner in the next toilet stall over, you absolutely have recourse in civil court to sue the gun owner for damages, mental anguish, etc.

But, you can't sue the gun manufacturer, or the dealer who sold it (assuming it was a legal sale) unless there was a flaw in the gun's design or function, any more than you can sue Ford for a drunk driver hitting you with a '96 Explorer.

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Firearms insurance? [View all] Tragl1 Apr 2016 OP
I'd be fine with it - except that the rkba is a constitutional right. Requiring jonno99 Apr 2016 #1
Voting generally doesn't require a financial expenditure, but Ilsa Apr 2016 #4
A prudent person would carry liability insurance. To make insurance mandatory would be difficult. nt jonno99 Apr 2016 #5
Why would it be any more difficult than auto insurance? Ilsa Apr 2016 #7
Because - the right to own an automobile is not enshrined in the constitution. jonno99 Apr 2016 #11
Well, we don't give away guns. They have to be purchased Ilsa Apr 2016 #13
I don't disagree with you. Your argument is with the constution and legal precedent. And to jonno99 Apr 2016 #17
The 24th Amendment (1962) protects the right to vote, free of a poll tax or any other fee... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #42
Right to travel isn't in the constitution, but it's part of the universal declaration of human MillennialDem Apr 2016 #23
Right to travel isn't in the constitution gejohnston Apr 2016 #26
Ok, it's not ENUMERATED in the constitution. So anyway. Yeah why licensing and insurance for MillennialDem Apr 2016 #29
you don't need either one to own a car gejohnston Apr 2016 #35
And so you should need a license AND insurance to operate a gun in MillennialDem Apr 2016 #36
most states do require licenses to carry concealed gejohnston Apr 2016 #37
I'm not sure how that is relevant MillennialDem Apr 2016 #38
Felons can't legally have guns Politicalboi Apr 2016 #30
Wayne LaPierre thanks you for the windfall on the insurance DonP Apr 2016 #33
Not everyone is prudent. Ilsa Apr 2016 #9
Agreed. nt jonno99 Apr 2016 #12
Homeowners/Renters Liability metroins Apr 2016 #2
What if they aren't at home or in their Ilsa Apr 2016 #3
Roughly 500 accidental deaths on average each year and falling (CDC Numbers) DonP Apr 2016 #8
So what you are saying is that I have to bear the costs Ilsa Apr 2016 #10
Not at all, just pointing out where mandatory insurance will very likely lead DonP Apr 2016 #19
Great input Tragl1 Apr 2016 #21
Here's what nearly happened that got me wondering Ilsa Apr 2016 #15
Goes way up once you include injuries, some of which are worse than death MillennialDem Apr 2016 #24
Given a choice, I'll take the injury every time. You're free to choose death. DonP Apr 2016 #32
Not if you're paralyzed. Then you can't even choose death unless you have a relative willing MillennialDem Apr 2016 #34
Liability covers you when not at home metroins Apr 2016 #16
Insurance actuaries don't seem concerned or anxious about civil liability... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #43
What problem are you trying to solve? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #6
Yeah TeddyR Apr 2016 #14
I guess I was thinking in the context of say a Sandy Hook? Tragl1 Apr 2016 #22
No liability insurance would cover Sandy Hook. X_Digger Apr 2016 #48
And close to 50% of accidents are due to drunk or high drivers. Doesn't mean insurance is MillennialDem Apr 2016 #25
What about free speech insurance...in case I offend someone and they take me to court? ileus Apr 2016 #18
Or if you run into someone while using a cell phone. JonathanRackham Apr 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #20
Can gang members get group insurance rates? JonathanRackham Apr 2016 #27
Obviously insurance isn't to protect someone from gang members. It's to protect the rare individual MillennialDem Apr 2016 #31
Why should criminals be exempt? JonathanRackham Apr 2016 #39
I didn't say they should be exempt silly bear. I just said they aren't going to buy it anyway MillennialDem Apr 2016 #40
.. JonathanRackham Apr 2016 #41
For simple ownership? Not just no... beevul Apr 2016 #44
Sigh..., not the insurance issue again. branford Apr 2016 #45
So would a top down personal no fault? Tragl1 Apr 2016 #47
When most people discuss "insurance" with respect to guns, branford Apr 2016 #49
It's an attempt to restrict ownership to those with plenty of disposable income, benEzra Apr 2016 #46
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