Gun Control & RKBA

Lizzie Poppet

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35. I worked to enact them here in Oregon.

Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:05 PM

Dec 2015

So I can't be of much help with the opposing argument! UBCs are no panacea (obviously actual professional criminals will never subject themselves to one), but they might end up denying a spree killer or suchlike. They also encourage people to stop and think about who they're considering selling a gun to.

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What is the worry in this group with universal background checks for private sales? [View all] Logical Dec 2015 OP

Personally none except legalisms whatthehey Dec 2015 #1

Thanks for the info, not sure how they would handle "gifts". Nt Logical Dec 2015 #2

I don't know where you got your Constitutional Law Degree, but I got mine at flamin lib Dec 2015 #5

By all means get a case running up the judicial flagpole then whatthehey Dec 2015 #18

Something like 30 states already have them DonP Dec 2015 #3

That point is kinda ambiguous to me gwheezie Dec 2015 #8

I've loaned my Browning BPS pump to a friend for pheasant hunting for a weekend a couple of times. DonP Dec 2015 #11

I think it has more to do with the definition of transfer gejohnston Dec 2015 #12

No objections sarisataka Dec 2015 #4

The major objection is that it might lead to universal registration of guns as a means flamin lib Dec 2015 #6

"Theys commin to git my gunz!" A reasonable fear, as "they" did just that in California: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #10

The culture now is not like it was 23 years ago. Calm down. nt Logical Dec 2015 #23

I agree-gun control is nowhere near as popular as it was then... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #29

Also, aware gun owners now know that reassurances from controllers are patently false friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #30

so true Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #37

There's one in this very thread saying, in essence: "You were lied to before, but I swear it won't.. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #38

yep Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #39

we will not give them another chance Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #32

Oh FFS you guys sound like a parody of Charleston Heston. nt Logical Dec 2015 #33

why, because they have done it before Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #34

Ignore documented historical evidence of mendacity and trust them? Fuck no... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #36

Your guns are safe. Calm down. No one is taking your guns away. nt Logical Dec 2015 #40

I know Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #41

Just calm down. nt Logical Dec 2015 #42

you seem to be the one all worked up Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #43

Yep - as mentioned, other then being annoying for private sales, jmg257 Dec 2015 #7

Does anyone here mind UBC for private sales??? ileus Dec 2015 #9

Depends - are they free? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #13

Most here favor some sort of UCB. Have that "other side," now? Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #14

Yep, and there is an "other side". nt Logical Dec 2015 #15

I've repeatedly indicated that I support UBC's, at least in theory. branford Dec 2015 #16

Good points, But I own guns and have no worry at all who knows what I own and I don't care..... Logical Dec 2015 #17

I guess I see, but do not share, the fear of registration whatthehey Dec 2015 #19

I grew-up in Rockland County, NY, and still have friends and family there. branford Dec 2015 #21

I would suggest a gradual and far less controversial approach to UBC's. branford Dec 2015 #20

It wouldn't work. The only way it can actually work is if you require registration, because Waldorf Dec 2015 #22

Good point. But isn't the initial purchaser known? Or are those records destroyed after the..... Logical Dec 2015 #24

Yes, the initial purchaser is know. All new firearms must go thru a licensed dealer. Waldorf Dec 2015 #25

So how do criminals get guns if we have such great tracking? sanatanadharma Dec 2015 #26

Criminals get them stealing them, but the most common way I have read is thru straw purchases Waldorf Dec 2015 #27

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect gwheezie Dec 2015 #28

I have no problem with it. The problem is you won't get it passed in this Congress. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #31

I worked to enact them here in Oregon. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #35

The fact that the same people pushing it are pushing bans/confiscation of the most popular guns, benEzra Dec 2015 #44