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Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
11. Should people call abortion "murder"?
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 05:50 PM
Feb 2012

It's probably worth hearing this idea, once or twice: it's what many Catholics think. So it is worth addressing now and then - calmly, rationally.

Briefly? Calmly? Most people today believe that the embryo is not yet a human being or human person. So they do not believe that killing an embryo, is kllling a human person.

Why do they think that the embryo is not a fully human being? There are lots of reasons for that. The main reason is that 1) in the Bible, in 2) ancient Philosophy, and in 3) Christian theology, from Aristotle, to St. Augustine, and 4) St. Aquinas, and in 5) modern science, it was often said that the embryo was not developed - or "form"ed (Ps. 139) - enough, to contain a human soul. Modern science confirms that the brain of the embryo is too small, too undeveloped, to sustain the human intelligence, the "rational soul" as Aquinas called it, that makes us more than the animals.

Therefore? Most people - even most of even Catholic tradition - in effect said that at least the very young embryo, is not a human person. And therefore? Killing an embryo is not "murder." Abortion does not kill a human being, but only an embryo.

Today in fact, even the conservatives of the Church, refrain from calling abortion murder, TOO often; since such language and thinking, is extremely inflammatory, and incendiary.

Still? The topic is worth a calm conversation, now and then.

For more on this subject? See my 700-page working paper, showing how key elements of the Bible, and even neglected elements of Catholic tradition, actually support this idea: that the embryo is not yet a full human person. Therefore? Abortion is not murder.

http://brettongarcia.wordpress.com/

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i have always been upset that mopinko Feb 2012 #1
Agreed. PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #2
What is "PPR"? kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #3
posting privileges revoked. banned. PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #5
Oh! TS'ed. kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #10
IMHO, for the record, anybody who calls pro-choicers murderers needs to be banned. kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #4
I agree. Not acceptable. CTyankee Feb 2012 #6
I agree and agree strongly with that. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #9
I agree with you very much uppityperson Feb 2012 #12
I agree. yellerpup Feb 2012 #15
Thoughts? Edit your post, tomorrow. DCKit Feb 2012 #7
??? PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #8
Should people call abortion "murder"? Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #11
Where does the soul come in? DonnyD Mar 2012 #26
You are confused. That poster said embryo and you say fetus. Is there a difference between.... uppityperson Mar 2012 #27
Neither? Both? DonnyD Mar 2012 #29
Do you feel abortions should be legal? Any restrictions? uppityperson Mar 2012 #30
Yes, and yes DonnyD Mar 2012 #31
Sounds like what Roe v Wade says. How about parental notification, waiting periods, etc? uppityperson Mar 2012 #32
Let's be real here DonnyD Mar 2012 #33
Let's be real here. Thank you for making your views known. uppityperson Mar 2012 #34
I know no one makes drastic abortion decisions DonnyD Mar 2012 #35
Thank you for clarifying and yes, it seems we are pretty much in agreement on this uppityperson Mar 2012 #36
Whoever is playing defense for that psycho is a right-wing plant, a crazy fundie, or both. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #13
You're talking about Kurmudgeon, right? laconicsax Feb 2012 #14
The latest meltdown is loads of fun. Kick. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #16
Yes. PeaceNikki Mar 2012 #17
I was going to say that it's unfathomoble that he's still here... laconicsax Mar 2012 #18
At this point it is up to admin rather than MIRT, afaik. It is something that he's still here indeed uppityperson Mar 2012 #19
Maybe he and MarkCharles are both sock accts that Skinner uses. laconicsax Mar 2012 #20
hahahahahahahaha uppityperson Mar 2012 #21
If so, he and EarlG had a falling out as EarlG banned K. uppityperson Mar 2012 #22
This could be confirmation bias, but I've noticed that EarlG tends to ban the misogynists. laconicsax Mar 2012 #23
What I don't get is why it took so long... Violet_Crumble Mar 2012 #24
The only explanation I have PeaceNikki Mar 2012 #25
+1 TBF Mar 2012 #28
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