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In reply to the discussion: Rest in peace Amanda. Bullied Teen Commits Suicide After Posting Last-Ditch Cry for Help on YouTube [View all]johnlucas
(1,250 posts)I'm not saying that the girls being called sluts is RIGHT.
I'm just stating the current cultural view. Of that & a lot of other double standards in this society.
Just stating them not condoning them.
I said this stuff can change because cultures can change.
American culture has changed tremendously in just 100 years.
Remember I said that I don't think girls should be branded with Scarlet Letters over their sexuality.
I'm gonna compare Amanda Todd to Trayvon Martin again.
Trayvon was just walking down the street coming back from the store.
He was 17 years old & it was 7PM. He was minding his business & wasn't seeking out trouble.
I don't talk about the nature of the neighborhood's streets he walked on as something to be addressed.
It was all George Zimmerman's irresponsible views & actions that caused that tragedy.
Amanda was flashing her breasts at a grown man in a webcam chat.
She was 12 years old & unsupervised. Young girls like this shouldn't be showing their breasts to grown strangers on the internet because of the reality of creepy pedophiles & stalkers who may exploit her youthful naïveté.
I DO talk about the nature of the current internet's Web 2.0 status as something to be addressed.
It was that blackmailing stalker's fault AND the school bullies' fault that caused that tragedy...
...and all because of the increasingly seamless nature of Web 2.0 which both parties exploited to traumatize that girl.
Slight difference in those cases.
12 year old girls should not be online doing stuff like that.
They're not adults & they don't understand the ramifications of their actions.
The aftereffects of her actions were NOT right but it's the same thing as that guy who went past the fence to get a closer look at the chimpanzees.
That boundary was meant to protect you because chimps can be dangerous to human beings.
That boundary was meant to protect girls like Amanda because internet stalkers can be dangerous to young girls.
The neighborhood streets Trayvon walked on don't need to be addressed because Trayvon did what was proper: just walked down the street & minded his business.
The internet's Web 2.0 nature Amanda flashed on DOES need to be address because Amanda did what was NOT proper: flashed at grown strangers on the internet even though she was a child.
Her flash does NOT give her stalker the right to blackmail her with exposing the pics so she can put on a show.
Her flash does NOT give those kids the right to bully her online & in person to shame her & ostracize her.
But that's why you don't cross that boundary. It opens up a can of worms. It opens up a Pandora's Box you're not prepared for.
No matter how you put it Masculine is designed to attract Feminine & Feminine is designed to attract Masculine.
It may play out in different ways but the theme remains the same.
You think it's unnatural that girls flirt & preen.
I think it's just one of the many ways that the Masculine-Feminine connection takes root.
We try to stop teen pregnancy but biologically this is when boys & girls have the most potentially healthiest babies.
As opposed to men & women over 45.
When kids CAN make babies they usually WILL.
The flirting & preening is that drive expressing itself.
Problem is it can be directed at the wrong people.
And speaking about this biology thing.
Do you REALLY think the Mosuo in China don't have a culture determining how they act sexually?
ALL people have cultures & ALL cultures influence their interactions.
I stick to my point that cultures come out of biology.
I know that biology determines identity.
And that identity determines culture.
And that culture determines lifeviews/political views.
Every culture assigns the totality of human traits differently because each environment is different & has different needs.
Many Native American nations have the notion of Two-Spirit when it comes to Intersexed people like the Gays.
They didn't shun 'em & treat them as dirt. They saw it as just another variation & they were accepted in those cultures.
Puritan culture treats Gays like the plague & they see them as an abomination not a variation.
Both of those views if you take them back to their origins always came down to a biological cause.
These biologies were just interpreted differently with one treated positively & the other treated negatively.
You can't dispute my Extinction Level Event example of what may have set gender roles like they are in so many societies.
Yeah I would love to talk further about this biology-culture connection thing in another thread.
I'll start it tomorrow & let you know.
I'll see you tomorrow, LadyHawkAZ.
John Lucas
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