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johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
45. Misunderstandings here. Listen to what I say
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 08:05 PM
Oct 2012

I'm not saying that the girls being called sluts is RIGHT.
I'm just stating the current cultural view. Of that & a lot of other double standards in this society.
Just stating them not condoning them.
I said this stuff can change because cultures can change.
American culture has changed tremendously in just 100 years.
Remember I said that I don't think girls should be branded with Scarlet Letters over their sexuality.

I'm gonna compare Amanda Todd to Trayvon Martin again.
Trayvon was just walking down the street coming back from the store.
He was 17 years old & it was 7PM. He was minding his business & wasn't seeking out trouble.
I don't talk about the nature of the neighborhood's streets he walked on as something to be addressed.
It was all George Zimmerman's irresponsible views & actions that caused that tragedy.

Amanda was flashing her breasts at a grown man in a webcam chat.
She was 12 years old & unsupervised. Young girls like this shouldn't be showing their breasts to grown strangers on the internet because of the reality of creepy pedophiles & stalkers who may exploit her youthful naïveté.
I DO talk about the nature of the current internet's Web 2.0 status as something to be addressed.
It was that blackmailing stalker's fault AND the school bullies' fault that caused that tragedy...
...and all because of the increasingly seamless nature of Web 2.0 which both parties exploited to traumatize that girl.

Slight difference in those cases.
12 year old girls should not be online doing stuff like that.
They're not adults & they don't understand the ramifications of their actions.
The aftereffects of her actions were NOT right but it's the same thing as that guy who went past the fence to get a closer look at the chimpanzees.
That boundary was meant to protect you because chimps can be dangerous to human beings.
That boundary was meant to protect girls like Amanda because internet stalkers can be dangerous to young girls.

The neighborhood streets Trayvon walked on don't need to be addressed because Trayvon did what was proper: just walked down the street & minded his business.
The internet's Web 2.0 nature Amanda flashed on DOES need to be address because Amanda did what was NOT proper: flashed at grown strangers on the internet even though she was a child.

Her flash does NOT give her stalker the right to blackmail her with exposing the pics so she can put on a show.
Her flash does NOT give those kids the right to bully her online & in person to shame her & ostracize her.
But that's why you don't cross that boundary. It opens up a can of worms. It opens up a Pandora's Box you're not prepared for.

No matter how you put it Masculine is designed to attract Feminine & Feminine is designed to attract Masculine.
It may play out in different ways but the theme remains the same.
You think it's unnatural that girls flirt & preen.
I think it's just one of the many ways that the Masculine-Feminine connection takes root.
We try to stop teen pregnancy but biologically this is when boys & girls have the most potentially healthiest babies.
As opposed to men & women over 45.
When kids CAN make babies they usually WILL.
The flirting & preening is that drive expressing itself.
Problem is it can be directed at the wrong people.

And speaking about this biology thing.
Do you REALLY think the Mosuo in China don't have a culture determining how they act sexually?
ALL people have cultures & ALL cultures influence their interactions.

I stick to my point that cultures come out of biology.
I know that biology determines identity.
And that identity determines culture.
And that culture determines lifeviews/political views.

Every culture assigns the totality of human traits differently because each environment is different & has different needs.
Many Native American nations have the notion of Two-Spirit when it comes to Intersexed people like the Gays.
They didn't shun 'em & treat them as dirt. They saw it as just another variation & they were accepted in those cultures.
Puritan culture treats Gays like the plague & they see them as an abomination not a variation.

Both of those views if you take them back to their origins always came down to a biological cause.
These biologies were just interpreted differently with one treated positively & the other treated negatively.

You can't dispute my Extinction Level Event example of what may have set gender roles like they are in so many societies.
Yeah I would love to talk further about this biology-culture connection thing in another thread.
I'll start it tomorrow & let you know.
I'll see you tomorrow, LadyHawkAZ.
John Lucas

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A shame on many levels Doctor_J Oct 2012 #1
The Internet has Cons as well as Pros. It amplifies schoolyard stuff exponentially johnlucas Oct 2012 #2
Actually, I would just show teens this story . . . caseymoz Oct 2012 #4
It'll stop a few. But people always think things like this won't happen to them...until it does johnlucas Oct 2012 #5
No, I think if you look at . . . caseymoz Oct 2012 #6
Well what about sexting between teens? johnlucas Oct 2012 #7
Sexting is why you show them this story. caseymoz Oct 2012 #9
End discussion, sure. But you're not accounting for human nature johnlucas Oct 2012 #10
And PS: You don't listen to anybody.nt caseymoz Oct 2012 #13
Nor do you... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #35
Not just on those who harrassed her but the blackmailing stalker himself johnlucas Oct 2012 #36
This is the saddest story I've seen in a long time. caseymoz Oct 2012 #3
Ican't even dwell on "What instinct was triggered here" Catherina Oct 2012 #15
I just had to explain to a 17 year old on my Facebook LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #8
+1 ~ ^This^ Zorra Oct 2012 #11
So much this. Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #12
Thank you. THIS ^^^^ Catherina Oct 2012 #14
Doesn't make it right but it's going to happen if you expose yourself on the internet johnlucas Oct 2012 #20
Your answers are very... polite Catherina Oct 2012 #21
I don't condone the 'boys will be boys' mindset but people will exploit you on the internet johnlucas Oct 2012 #23
"All of it for the mighty dick that can't control itself." KatyaR Oct 2012 #27
And we as a society have the choice to make life more difficult for the stalker Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #22
Yes, I'm in favor of laws addressing internet stalking johnlucas Oct 2012 #24
It's possible to hunt down and identify individual stalkers within national borders Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #34
Well let's work on the ones within the national borders johnlucas Oct 2012 #48
I don't think that the fear of making the internet less free is a valid argument against privacy law Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #49
As long as it's smart regulation I'm down johnlucas Oct 2012 #54
I don't think Obama will do anything about it, nor do I expect Congress to act. Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #60
No, the answer was to expose this guy who threatened her about the pics johnlucas Oct 2012 #26
The fact that she was taken advantage of by a perverted pedo LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #28
I don't mind having this discussion. I welcome it. johnlucas Oct 2012 #30
I am too ill to type out a response tonight LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #32
Cultures were formed from environmental & biological settings johnlucas Oct 2012 #33
I'm beginning to think you might be in the wrong place LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #37
Misunderstandings here. Listen to what I say johnlucas Oct 2012 #45
I'll watch for it then LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #46
Here it is LadyHawkAZ johnlucas Oct 2012 #55
"No matter how you put it Masculine is designed to attract Feminine & Feminine is designed to Zorra Oct 2012 #50
I'll invite you to that thread me & LadyHawkAZ will talk in johnlucas Oct 2012 #51
John? Please, consider that you are a man, making repeated, assertive, absolute statements to a Zorra Oct 2012 #52
Oh so just because it comes from a man, it's to be discarded? johnlucas Oct 2012 #53
LOL! Oh, my. No, Zorra Oct 2012 #58
I touch on the control of female sexaulity & homophobia in that thread I made for LadyHawkAZ johnlucas Oct 2012 #59
Zorra? MadrasT Oct 2012 #56
In wake of Amanda Todd suicide, House of Commons to debate anti-bullying bill Catherina Oct 2012 #16
Amanda Todd still a target of vile online abuse - on FB page set up in memory of teen 'found hanged Catherina Oct 2012 #17
This is how people are on the internet. That's why I talked about preventive techniques johnlucas Oct 2012 #25
It just gets worse :( Catherina Oct 2012 #18
'It got traced to somebody in the United States' Catherina Oct 2012 #19
It just gets worse and worse Catherina Oct 2012 #29
The problem with an Anonymous organization LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #38
Totally agreed Catherina Oct 2012 #39
They're doing some policing today Catherina Oct 2012 #43
About time n/t LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #44
Good...about time they did some fucking self-policing Blue_Tires Oct 2012 #57
huh? 4chan IS "anonymous" Batman bin Suparman Oct 2012 #47
This is seriously depressing Catherina Oct 2012 #31
How fucking sick and tragic. I cannot believe this. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #61
It's very hard to believe. Catherina Mar 2013 #63
Man fired for posting negative comments on Amanda Todd's memorial page Catherina Oct 2012 #40
Two of her tormentors have been named Catherina Oct 2012 #41
As far as I am concerned, her tormenters should be shot. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #62
I updated the original since the first video link is no longer working Catherina Mar 2013 #64
One alleged tormentor was in court yesterday on charges of sexually interfering with another minor Catherina Oct 2012 #42
Just found this thread... TeeYiYi Mar 2013 #65
Bumping your thread Catherina, because at least a bit of justice for Amanda has begun. polly7 Apr 2014 #66
I don't know why I'm surprised that it was someone so far away Catherina Apr 2014 #67
Well, that's good news LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #68
Done :) polly7 Apr 2014 #69
Awesome LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #70
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