I have unblocked iverglas

[boston bean]

38. I certainly understand that the issues for many minority groups

may be more profound, less, or the same for disparate groups or people belonging to more than one minority group.

Here is how I see it. I think the root cause of sexism and misogyny is what we all have in common. I truly believe that is the case.

And I think all groups should be able to discuss, like adults, those issues we have in common in the root cause and learn from eachother how each of those root causes affects the particular groups we also fall into and do not fall into.

I have seen you basically say, that you couldn't trust straight feminists and that your loyalties would lie with another group over straight feminists in general. I think I can understand that. But, also, I do think it sort of cuts off the conversation and makes it hostile. Again, I do not believe we are natural enemies, I believe we are natural allies.

And with that in mind, we should all be helpful and supportive of eachother working through the issues.

I understand the issues surrounding the second wave and how lesbians felt removed from the equation. I do know that it happened. It also happened to women suffragettes when black men received the right to vote and women did not. It was not right. However, I don't think we can extrapolate those long ago, real issues, into today and broad brush the feminist movement or civil rights movement. I also recognize that there are gender issues in the LGBT community as well. I only point this out, because I wouldn't expect you to look upon the gay males in the community as enemies or untrustworthy, and hope to point out that it should be the same with straight feminists.

We should all listen, learn, discuss and understand all of these issues and really shouldn't separate ourselves.

I understand this is not in direct response to your comment to iverglas, but I wanted to take the opportunity to try and discuss this with you here. And I hope my post is taken as it is meant, to bring forth a conversation, and a willingness to learn and understand, and most importantly to listen to others points of view.