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In reply to the discussion: 42 ADMITTED False Flag Attacks with links [View all]William Seger
(11,236 posts)12. Really?
Here are the items in the list where the US is accused of "admitted false flag attacks":
(12) In 1960, American Senator George Smathers suggested that the U.S. launch a false attack made on Guantanamo Bay which would give us the excuse of actually fomenting a fight which would then give us the excuse to go in and [overthrow Castro].
(13) Official State Department documents show that, in 1961, the head of the Joint Chiefs and other high-level officials discussed blowing up a consulate in the Dominican Republic in order to justify an invasion of that country. The plans were not carried out, but they were all discussed as serious proposals.
(14) As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in 1962, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABCs World News Tonight with Peter Jennings.
(15) In 1963, the U.S. Department of Defense wrote a paper promoting attacks on nations within the Organization of American States such as Trinidad-Tobago or Jamaica and then falsely blaming them on Cuba.
(16) The U.S. Department of Defense even suggested covertly paying a person in the Castro government to attack the United States: The only area remaining for consideration then would be to bribe one of Castros subordinate commanders to initiate an attack on Guantanamo.
(17) The NSA admits that it lied about what really happened in the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964 manipulating data to make it look like North Vietnamese boats fired on a U.S. ship so as to create a false justification for the Vietnam war.
(18) A U.S. Congressional committee admitted that as part of its Cointelpro campaign the FBI had used many provocateurs in the 1950s through 1970s to carry out violent acts and falsely blame them on political activists.
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(30) Although the FBI now admits that the 2001 anthrax attacks were carried out by one or more U.S. government scientists, a senior FBI official says that the FBI was actually told to blame the Anthrax attacks on Al Qaeda by White House officials (remember what the anthrax letters looked like). Government officials also confirm that the white House tried to link the anthrax to Iraq as a justification for regime change in that country.
(31) Similarly, the U.S. falsely blamed Iraq for playing a role in the 9/11 attacks as shown by amemo from the defense secretary as one of the main justifications for launching the Iraq war. Even after the 9/11 Commission admitted that there was no connection, Dick Cheney said that the evidence is overwhelming that al Qaeda had a relationship with Saddam Husseins regime, that Cheney probably had information unavailable to the Commission, and that the media was not doing their homework in reporting such ties. Top U.S. government officials now admit that the Iraq war was really launched for oil not 9/11 or weapons of mass destruction (despite previous lone wolf claims, many U.S. government officials now say that 9/11 was state-sponsored terror; but Iraq was not the state which backed the hijackers).
(32) Former Department of Justice lawyer John Yoo suggested in 2005 that the US should go on the offensive against al-Qaeda, having our intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps, and fundraising operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within al-Qaedas ranks, causing operatives to doubt others identities and to question the validity of communications.
(13) Official State Department documents show that, in 1961, the head of the Joint Chiefs and other high-level officials discussed blowing up a consulate in the Dominican Republic in order to justify an invasion of that country. The plans were not carried out, but they were all discussed as serious proposals.
(14) As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in 1962, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABCs World News Tonight with Peter Jennings.
(15) In 1963, the U.S. Department of Defense wrote a paper promoting attacks on nations within the Organization of American States such as Trinidad-Tobago or Jamaica and then falsely blaming them on Cuba.
(16) The U.S. Department of Defense even suggested covertly paying a person in the Castro government to attack the United States: The only area remaining for consideration then would be to bribe one of Castros subordinate commanders to initiate an attack on Guantanamo.
(17) The NSA admits that it lied about what really happened in the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964 manipulating data to make it look like North Vietnamese boats fired on a U.S. ship so as to create a false justification for the Vietnam war.
(18) A U.S. Congressional committee admitted that as part of its Cointelpro campaign the FBI had used many provocateurs in the 1950s through 1970s to carry out violent acts and falsely blame them on political activists.
<snip>
(30) Although the FBI now admits that the 2001 anthrax attacks were carried out by one or more U.S. government scientists, a senior FBI official says that the FBI was actually told to blame the Anthrax attacks on Al Qaeda by White House officials (remember what the anthrax letters looked like). Government officials also confirm that the white House tried to link the anthrax to Iraq as a justification for regime change in that country.
(31) Similarly, the U.S. falsely blamed Iraq for playing a role in the 9/11 attacks as shown by amemo from the defense secretary as one of the main justifications for launching the Iraq war. Even after the 9/11 Commission admitted that there was no connection, Dick Cheney said that the evidence is overwhelming that al Qaeda had a relationship with Saddam Husseins regime, that Cheney probably had information unavailable to the Commission, and that the media was not doing their homework in reporting such ties. Top U.S. government officials now admit that the Iraq war was really launched for oil not 9/11 or weapons of mass destruction (despite previous lone wolf claims, many U.S. government officials now say that 9/11 was state-sponsored terror; but Iraq was not the state which backed the hijackers).
(32) Former Department of Justice lawyer John Yoo suggested in 2005 that the US should go on the offensive against al-Qaeda, having our intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps, and fundraising operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within al-Qaedas ranks, causing operatives to doubt others identities and to question the validity of communications.
I couldn't help but notice that exactly zero of them are actually "admitted false flag attacks," but are cases where suggestions to commit a false flag attack were rejected, or attempts were made to shift the blame for actual attacks.
But in the context of this particular forum, it's interesting that the list actually demonstrates the poor track record conspiracists have for detecting actual conspiracies. Instead, they gave us crap like the Elders of Zion and imaginary grassy-knoll shooters.
The list also seems to show that even small conspiracies are hard to hide, and that they are usually exposed from the inside, not by those meddling kids in the Mystery Machine, and that we probably never learn about any that aren't exposed that way.
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